Redleg

Can assure you Moonie, that I will treat the summer training posts, articles and photos, as BB described in the post below yours.

I know all that and obviously appreciate the important things in life, but as you say and I am not even sure why, a week later, but I am still really p-ssed off with the players and coaches.They let the fans and themselves down and wasted a golden opportunity to have some finals experience, give everyone some reward for the rotten years, enhance sponsorship, membership, fixture and recruit opportunities, but they just blew it big time. That still really annoys me.

Can't wait for the training the house down crap to start again.

Don't know why I let this team upset me so much. 11 years of crap and finals there for the taking and we dish up that pathetic first quarter and only a slightly better rest of the game, against a depleted young side playing for nothing other than some pride. Then again we probably have none. I should have stuck to banana smoothies and forgot about the footy.

Good starts to games.

Bombers will re sign him.

That should be the sole mantra for trades, unless they are seen as a developing young player.

That's true, my gripe is he played us and other clubs, when he was already signed with Carlton mid year. You can take that to the bank.

Never to us. It would have been hard to get him that year, as he had already committed to Dick Pratt, before he pretended he was still deciding which club to go to and wasted our time looking at our facilities and discussing his move. Not my favourite footballer.

Trust may have stormed out as well.

I am interested in the term "done deal". To me it means the player has selected us and the clubs have agreed on the price. I would say it is a million to one on that definition to be a "done deal". IMO at best, the player has selected us and advised us of that. That is not a "done deal". Feel free to enlighten me.

MRP a joke. Umpiring by crowd noise and not vision. Fixturing done on the basis of dollars and totally unrelated to fairness of a sporting competition. Rising Star award ignoring Jayden Hunt in 2017 and this week giving an award to a kid with 3 possessions and 3 goals obtained in a thrashing of the opposition. A record year of football stats for a 2nd year player, placing him in the top few players in the game, yet ignored in a 40 man AA squad. Rules changed at whim. You know rjay, it is okay for you to suggest that the AA selectors should watch the games, but I actually doubt that they would know how to turn on a Television or find their way to a football ground.

Now you are an AFL club and are offered one of Jonas, Roberton, Ross and Clarrie, you select........?

Better than my weekend.

From the AFL site: His raw numbers stacked up: he led the League in handballs (21.9), was second in contested possessions (15.6), fifth in total disposals (659) and eighth in average disposals (30), 10th in clearances (6.6) and 11th in tackles (6.9). Oliver's handball rate helped, but his disposal efficiency of 77.1 per cent also ranked second among the top-10 ball-winners and fourth in the top 20. Demons co-captain Nathan Jones was among those surprised at Oliver's omission. "It's obviously an opinion of the selectors, but from our perspective he's been a terrific addition to our team," Jones said. "He's taken a huge leap for a young player … and he's probably pretty stiff to miss out this year, but I'm tipping he won't be too far away." Oliver perhaps needed to kick more than four goals and average more than 199.4 metres gained – the new buzz statistic in the AFL world. The pacesetters rack up 500-plus metres, while Hawk Tom Mitchell, for comparison's sake, amassed 313.4. Oliver's like-for-like competition was probably Matt Crouch, Rory Sloane, Joel Selwood, Dylan Shiel, Mitchell and Josh Kennedy. Kennedy played 19 games, Selwood 18, and Oliver is with the rest all on 22. Only Kennedy averaged more clearances than Oliver. Only Mitchell and Crouch averaged more disposals. None of that group won more contested possessions. Only Sloane out-tackled him. Digging deeper, they all bettered Oliver's three inside 50s per match and, damningly, crushed him in average metres gained. The reasoning, valid or not, for Oliver's snub is suddenly clearer. His critics – and we're not talking about Damien Martyn – consistently stated he would be more impactful if he kicked more. The All Australian selectors clearly agree.

Hope so.

Garland is contracted. But agree don't see him in our 22. Spencer is a free agent. Are you serious that you want to delist an 18 year old ruckman who has been injured most of the year. That is mind boggling. I think Tim Smith is on the main list ATM, though it could have been a LTI list upgrade.

Haven't seen DL this fired up, but understandably so. I am so p-ssed off I actually don't want to watch any finals even including the GF. I just couldn't care less. Have even stopped watching 360 and AFL tonight.

Wow, 2nd best contested possession player in the AFL, one of the leading clearance players and more handballs than anyone in AFL history, 4th best tackler and 5th in disposals, all in his 2nd year and he cant crack the AA squad of 40. Players like Jonas, Roberton, Ross etc must be superstars of the game then.

I don't want to seem like a smart arse, but I for one was against letting Howe go and he only went because we virtually forced him out, didn't want Ben Kennedy and also wanted to keep Dunn for another year and let the contracted Garland go instead. The anger on here for Howe at the time was ridiculous, who I believe wanted to stay a Demon. Wow, Howe is in the AA squad, Dunn was serviceable, Kennedy will be gone and Garland was unlucky to do his knee. We got shafted again by Collingwood, like Dawes, like Harry etc. TheoX has a point.

In my opinion too. Salems disposal as usual was among our best couple. I am sure you confused him with Tyson or ANB who went at 58% and 47% respectively. Poor users of the ball.

You don't trade an unwanted player, better to have him as Casey co captain with Trenners.

Don't think Bernie and Jordie can play in same side anymore and because of his costly mistakes, Bernie is the one to go. Tough but if we are to improve changes must occur. We are far too slow. They make us slower.

Think you are confusing Salem, who may have had a couple of poor disposals early, with Tyson who turned over his first 5 possessions and ended up with 58% efficiency. Salem who ended with 92% efficiency and Watts are the only 2 players I trust with the ball in hand. Apology to Clarry who sometimes because he is so quick with his hands, delivers to players who aren't expecting it.

And we are. Consistently disappointing supporters.