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I was actually asking what he said. So slagging is now what you can read between the lines. That means he is not actually using words to slag, but hidden meanings that need to be interpreted. Wow! Also, as to bringing back Roosy, you should talk to some of the players, because they wouldn't agree.

So obviously the club didn't know what they were doing keeping number 1 pick Deledio for 12 years, while he played 243 games with them..

I have the answer to all the angst, don't trade or delist any fan favourite. Enjoy the continued success.

Jack's or being on traded to Crows.

Aaron Francis, a brilliant player who hasn't got fit enough. Might be a good swap for JW.

If Goodwin said that, plenty on here would say he is slagging off at the players and making it an us and them. Not an all in together team. He has separated the Coaches from the Players and blamed them exclusively. I didn't think the Crows coaching was great yesterday. However, Pyke was slagging off at the players and it was a them and us statement. Poor from a coach. What he could have said instead, was maybe " the Tigers had better effort than "US" today, or "OUR" effort wasn't as good as the Tigers.

Recounting Goodwin's comments when Tom was kicking goals up forward and coupled with his constant bloopers down back and the fact that JW is probably going, I agree with you.

I still think that we are trying to link Watts going, with getting a player in. I don't think that necessarily means that we will get a player from the club he ends up at, but rather a 3 club deal. Then again it is only a hunch.

What did Goodwin say that was slagging? I thought he said we had given him the option of looking around and that if he was unable to get a better deal he could stay with us. That is not slagging a player. Have I missed something else he said?

Isn't he the 10 possession per game player, who smashed a bunch of cars earlier this year and then ran away ( probably drunk ). How would he fit in with the no d-ckhead policy?

Think the AFL would have wanted Houli.

A bunch of no names plus 3-4 stars, who all play manic pressure footy, can win Flags. That's two years in a row it has happened.

Is that info or your vibe?

6 hours.

I'll say something that may seem unkind but read it in context. If Hogan were to seek a trade home this year, after signing a new contract and then having the year from hell, in which the MFC have supported him 100%, I would regard him as an ungrateful person who I would then care little about. HOWEVER, that is not the case and he is going nowhere. He apparently loves the club and his team mates and he continues to have my full support in both his recovery and his football career, with the Dees.

Thank God. I would have blamed JW if they were more expensive.

Yes I still think that and I would keep Jack, but it appears I am being overruled by the MFC FD. Given that, there is not much I can do but hope we get a good deal. I assume those that know, have evaluated his performance and attitude etc, like they would do with every player on the list and have come to the conclusion that he is not assisting our push to a GF, nor is he the player we would select for one.

The list below makes interesting reading. Sorry for the capital letters it's the bloody computer. JW is number 19 on the list for average tackles. Billy who most would consider non aggressive has more average tackles than JW. Think of the Tiger's forward pressure. This is a must in today's game. The Tigers are not a star studded team but they have manic pressure. Tom Mac a part time forward kicked more goals than JW and Melksham another part time forward nearly kicked more. Petracca another forward/mid also kicked more. Jeffy of course was well ahead. Jesse hardly played. Not that he has to lead the goal kicking, but it shows we have other players who can kick goals too. Obviously there are a lot of things that players have to do at a club and when you don't do several you are on thin ice. SEASON 2017 Advanced Options Player Kicks Handballs Disposals Marks Hit-outs Frees For Frees Agst Tackles Goals Behinds AFL Fantasy TOT AVG TOT AVG TOT AVG TOT AVG TOT AVG TOT AVG TOT AVG TOT AVG TOT AVG TOT AVG TOT AVG 1Clayton Oliver 177 8 482 21.9 659 30 68 3.1 1 0 20 0.9 40 1.8 152 6.9 4 0.2 3 0.1 2235 101.6 2Jordan Lewis 216 11.4 284 14.9 500 26.3 93 4.9 0 0 23 1.2 17 0.9 47 2.5 5 0.3 3 0.2 1688 88.8 3Michael Hibberd 305 16.9 188 10.4 493 27.4 97 5.4 0 0 18 1 11 0.6 23 1.3 1 0.1 1 0.1 1666 92.6 4Dom Tyson 224 11.8 256 13.5 480 25.3 78 4.1 0 0 12 0.6 22 1.2 75 3.9 5 0.3 9 0.5 1703 89.6 5Nathan Jones 207 12.9 232 14.5 439 27.4 63 3.9 0 0 17 1.1 11 0.7 86 5.4 10 0.6 6 0.4 1668 104.3 6Jack Viney 151 8.4 264 14.7 415 23.1 44 2.4 0 0 28 1.6 18 1 126 7 6 0.3 5 0.3 1632 90.7 7Christian Petracca 181 8.2 233 10.6 414 18.8 72 3.3 0 0 11 0.5 17 0.8 54 2.5 26 1.2 6 0.3 1563 71 8Bernie Vince 263 13.8 140 7.4 403 21.2 73 3.8 0 0 12 0.6 18 0.9 55 2.9 2 0.1 4 0.2 1482 78 9Jayden Hunt 254 11.5 142 6.5 396 18 85 3.9 0 0 15 0.7 15 0.7 69 3.1 7 0.3 5 0.2 1594 72.5 10Tom McDonald 227 10.3 161 7.3 388 17.6 139 6.3 53 2.4 19 0.9 32 1.5 50 2.3 23 1 7 0.3 1741 79.1 11Alex Neal-Bullen 204 10.7 155 8.2 359 18.9 61 3.2 0 0 9 0.5 7 0.4 87 4.6 15 0.8 9 0.5 1540 81.1 12Christian Salem 219 13.7 124 7.8 343 21.4 73 4.6 0 0 15 0.9 7 0.4 54 3.4 5 0.3 0 0 1364 85.3 13Jake Melksham 202 10.6 116 6.1 318 16.7 84 4.4 0 0 13 0.7 21 1.1 48 2.5 21 1.1 6 0.3 1364 71.8 14Neville Jetta 151 6.9 164 7.5 315 14.3 94 4.3 0 0 19 0.9 11 0.5 68 3.1 3 0.1 0 0 1339 60.9 15Oscar McDonald 192 9.6 116 5.8 308 15.4 108 5.4 0 0 13 0.7 16 0.8 32 1.6 0 0 0 0 1225 61.3 16James Harmes 138 8.1 156 9.2 294 17.3 50 2.9 0 0 12 0.7 14 0.8 57 3.4 14 0.8 12 0.7 1170 68.8 17Jack Watts 129 8.1 122 7.6 251 15.7 77 4.8 53 3.3 10 0.6 9 0.6 42 2.6 22 1.4 9 0.6 1207 75.4 18Mitch Hannan 138 6.9 110 5.5 248 12.4 49 2.5 0 0 21 1.1 13 0.7 61 3.1 22 1.1 10 0.5 1149 57.5 19Cameron Pedersen 119 7.9 124 8.3 243 16.2 73 4.9 147 9.8 15 1 17 1.1 53 3.5 16 1.1 8 0.5 1251 83.4 20Jeff Garlett 171 8.1 65 3.1 236 11.2 56 2.7 0 0 17 0.8 9 0.4 74 3.5 42 2 28 1.3 1377 65.6 21Sam Frost 127 7.9 89 5.6 216 13.5 61 3.8 3 0.2 15 0.9 18 1.1 40 2.5 1 0.1 0 0 872 54.5 22Billy Stretch 57 6.3 107 11.9 164 18.2 30 3.3 0 0 6 0.7 3 0.3 30 3.3 3 0.3 4 0.4 614 68.2 23Max Gawn 77 5.9 83 6.4 160 12.3 46 3.5 466 35.8 18 1.4 25 1.9 36 2.8 4 0.3 4 0.3 1116 85.8 24Josh Wagner 63 7 80 8.9 143 15.9 21 2.3 0 0 4 0.4 3 0.3 25 2.8 2 0.2 1 0.1 520 57.8 25Jesse Hogan 91 9.1 51 5.1 142 14.2 51 5.1 0 0 9 0.9 5 0.5 15 1.5 20 2 6 0.6 708 70.8 26Tomas Bugg 70 7 69 6.9 139 13.9 29 2.9 0 0 11 1.1 7 0.7 31 3.1 7 0.7 12 1.2 603 60.3 27Jay Kennedy-Harris 45 7.5 51 8.5 96 16 18 3 0 0 2 0.3 5 0.8 23 3.8 0 0 1 0.2 371 61.8 28Angus Brayshaw 53 10.6 42 8.4 95 19 28 5.6 0 0 1 0.2 1 0.2 12 2.4 2 0.4 1 0.2 386 77.2 29Dean Kent 56 9.3 34 5.7 90 15 27 4.5 0 0 8 1.3 2 0.3 13 2.2 7 1.2 6 1 419 69.8 30Sam Weideman 24 3.4 32 4.6 56 8 18 2.6 0 0 6 0.9 7 1 12 1.7 3 0.4 4 0.6 245 35 31Jack Trengove 17 8.5 12 6 29 14.5 4 2 0 0 0 0 2 1 4 2 0 0 0 0 97 48.5 32Joel Smith 12 4 14 4.7 26 8.7 2 0.7 0 0 1 0.3 4 1.3 8 2.7 0 0 0 0 91 30.3 33Corey Maynard 5 5 13 13 18 18 0 0 0 0 3 3 0 0 7 7 1 1 0 0 78 78 34Jake Spencer 7 3.5 10 5 17 8.5 4 2 28 14 4 2 4 2 5 2.5 2 1 0 0 105 52.5 35Mitch White 5 5 6 6 11 11 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 43 43 36Timothy Smith 7 3.5 3 1.5 10 5 3 1.5 3 1.5 2 1 2 1 6 3 1 0.5 2 1 67 33.5

Well let's analyse that a bit. BK I think will be gone by trade or delisted by list lodgment time. JKH is working on his game and had massive numbers at Casey, getting his own ball, playing in the mid field over a number of weeks. Bugg can't be accused of being soft, has a go, puts some angst in opposition players and needs to work on eliminating stupidity, but was part of the team when we were aggressive and up and running. IMO is not in best 22 but is handy to have for depth. Vince will play his last year and reportedly is ok if form means he plays at Casey and won't sook. Gawn is our number 1 ruck who was badly injured and who is AA and can play. Some of his poor play was actually players not going to right spots to win his tap outs. Oliver had no problem. Wagner is a limited player who could improve, but don't think he needs a blowtorch from the Coach. Harmes is a goer who needs to work on his disposal. Do you think he will improve with a blow torch? Salem and Billy could use a bit of a blowtorch in respect to more involvement and attack on the ball, but both have great disposal. ANB has worked harder than most and attacks the contest, has a weakness in disposal and a blowtorch would have no effect on that. Garlett showed early season passion and pressure and was clearly affected late in the year by the loss of a family member. I don't think you blowtorch the Garletts of this world, I think you just encourage them to be their best. One last thought, if you add JW to the list above, who would be the most passive, non aggressive, weakest contested ball player in that list and who has been on the list the longest and made the least improvement in their all round game?

Goodwin has been at the MFC for 4 years with JW and is now a 2nd year Coach. Reckon he might know a bit more about JW than some on here.

One thing I have learned from years on DL and that is that posters, including some who have never even seen a training session, know more about a player, than the coaches and fellow players who spend all day with them, for up to 11 months of the year and who also happen to play alongside them. What would any of those players or coaches know unless of course they read DL. Of course we can all have opinions too, but we need to remember the many people involved in making these decisions and the knowledge they must have about the people they are deciding about.

Don't be concerned.

I wonder if this is just a rocket up his a-se and we are not trading him, but rather sending a message.

While I would like Jack to stay, if you told me we were getting Danger, Martin, Cotchin or Selwood, we would all be screaming in delight. Therefore we would be happy to move him on, as long as we did well out of the deal. Most have said we are happy with the current FD. So, shouldn't we accept that the FD know what they are doing and just hope that they get a good deal, before we burn the joint down?