KozzyCan

What exactly are you basing the Goodwin coached all of 2016? That seems like a bit of a myth. He was still an apprentice at that stage. I stand by my point that every year of Goodwin's tenure we had a list capable of making finals. By that metric half his seasons were failures. People use injuries as a massive cop out. Like we're the only club to ever deal with injuries. We went from a prelim final to second last. That's a terrible result no matter how you look at it. There's simply no metric where Goodwin is as good of a coach than Scott. It's not even a contest.

He really can't help himself lol.

Bit more to it than just looking at premiership players. Jones, Vince Jetta and Lewis were all playing great footy at the start of Goodwin's tenure. Tmac, Melksham and Hibberd were in their prime. Oliver was already a star at this point. Brayshaw and Petracca weren't quite there but still quality. We had a real shot at it in 2018. 2019 and 2020 were disasters and completely wasted seasons.

The bulk of the work was done before Goodwin took the reigns. The core of the team was built and he's always had a list capable of making finals. Don't understand the reference to trading Watts and Hogan, both decisions that made our team better not worse. If we're giving Goodwin credit for all the list management decisions post Roos then we must do the same for Scott. Rebuilt Geelong twice over only dropping out of finals for single years each time.

Lewis, Hibberd and Melksham all came in in his first year. Our list in 2017 was solid outside of our backline.

Need some sauce for that chip on your shoulder.

Outstanding game.

Again, Goodwin has missed finals in 4 of 8 years including a bottom 2 and bottom 6 finish. Geelong's advantages are not so great that they guarantee the sort of consistency Scott has been able to conjure. Any disadvantage we may have is not so crippling that it excuses our inconsistency.

Bizarre excuse to give Goodwin. He was handed a young, talented list built by Roos that was primed to take the next step.

Yep, it's called an opinion. I think our list is better than Geelong's. I think Geelong had one of the weaker lists going into the finals.

I think being good is more important to their great record at home than the home itself. They actually had a relatively poor year at KP this year, but they won enough games away that they still made top 4. They won an away prelim by 80 points. They also have a great record at the MCG. In fact I'd wager Scott's record at the MCG would be comfortably better than Goodwins. Yes they have maximised their advantages and recruited well off the back of that but again I would look at the list they're running out with tonight and say that it wouldn't be in the top ten lists in the comp, yet they still manage to find a way to win. You put Geelong's team in Goodwins hands and there is no way they're playing off for a Grand Final spot tonight.

Every team has challenges. You could do the same exercise with Scott to make him a hypothetical 10 time premiership coach. They are going into a prelim with what I would say is a very mediocre team on paper. That's what sets Scott apart.

Yeah I'm clearly talking about issues since the flag. Our list management between 2014 and 2020 was good. I'd like us to get back to that. Hope that made my post more readable for you, precious.

I'm not sure I see the comparison. Scott is one of the best public communicators I've seen and a master tactician. Goodwin is neither of those things. Scott had made finals in all but two seasons in 14 years. Goodwin has made finals in four of eight seasons.

Club didn't value him and didn't give him games, he left seeking greater opportunity and we were left with worse players. Every year since the flag our list has gotten worse because we've lost good players and brought in worse ones. I don't get why people constantly feel the need to make excuses for poor management. I don't really care if other [censored] clubs have the same problem. I want us to do better than that. It's hardly impossible.

Massive coaching fail when guys like Grundy, Jordon and Bedford couldn't get going for us, all walk to other clubs and make those teams better. List management just as bad when we replace them with [censored] like Hunter, Fullarton and Billings.

Some of you have such a chip on your shoulder. Who cares about Essendon? They've been a basketcase for 20 years.

Do you realise what club you barrack for?

No worries, Curnow will sort out our issues up forward. 🤝

Seems pretty excited to get back into it. Will be good for him after how slowly he had to progress his training post-surgery.

Saints looking really busy.

Reckon they might live on the peninsula because of its proximity to Casey. Or are they all going to ask for a trade to the Hawks and the Saints? Think being closer to the city is probably a good thing tbh.

I'm confused by this. Why are we waiting a year for the business case to be made if the financing has already come through.

So what's the next step after the business case is made? Will the business case unlock the funding or is that a seperate step that needs to be taken? Do we then need to find an architect and a builder? Then the building can begin once those plans have been completed?

Idk why I was expecting a little more than that. Good news that it's progressing but blimey the road is a long one.