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Well Adelaide get ripped off that's why - Brisbane will offer pick 8+, I think Rassilon is on the right track - GC want our pick 4 for that trade but we need more than Caddy for that.

We might have been better to steer completely clear of the Caddy chase. It opens the pick 4 door and that's hard to close.

I reckon with MM now at Carlton Eddie's ego just can't allow Cloke to go there - he'll match any Carlton bid at any cost to his club. Hopefully we can benefit from the fall-out.

That's why it says "13+ something". Agree we'd need to over-pay for Caddy to secure Viney in the 2nd round and there'll be whinging here that he's not worth that. "Something" could be a player they value that we don't - Martin, Gysberts, Cook, Petterd or could maybe be the Moloney compo pick - Tier 3 pick after 2nd round ~ pick 30? Clearly they'll be aiming for pick 4 which we want to avoid. The Boak + 7 for 4 + 13 deal was OK but GC don't have another top 10 pick they can package back to us. What's your thinking?

Carlton will make Cloke a huge offer. But I reckon Eddie's ego won't let him pass - he'll say we've just got to match it no matter what the cost. It's quite likely to hurt them. Wellingham is likely to get squeezed out and their cap will be so tight they'd probably prefer picks to players - they may not even be able to afford Martin. Straight swap for pick 13 could be their best option.

We'll take Viney at 3 if we have to, but I'm bullish that a win-win deal can be structured where we won't have to. The discussion about whether Viney is worth pick 3 is humorous. Deep inside JV reckons he's pick 1, hell he reckons he'll be the best player in the AFL. I laugh when I read the suggestion that we'll pass on him at 3, let him go to GWS and we'll get him back after 2 years. You know what - he'll say stuff you - and I will too.

There might be scope for ND 3 + 4 for MD 1 + 2 if GC aren't interest in the MD.

Everybody can win if everyone co-operates.

Nope - if Viney goes 2nd round you'll see a signficant trade between MFC and one or both of GWS and GC.

Nope - but you can PM me.

We'd be looking a fair bit better with the following very feasible outcome: 3: Hogan via MD2 (incentive to GWS to pass on Viney) 4: best available mid in the draft 13+ something: Caddy (incentive to GC to pass on Viney) 27: Viney Wellingham for Martin Byrnes via FA

We did alright with the Scully compo and the Mitch Clark deal. I'm not as pessimistic. It depends on how bloody minded GWS and GC are.

Yes it is a good deal - I agree with you - try to sell the club to Jacobs and try to do a proper deal with Port and if not take him in the PSD. Jurrah is a non-factor.

Jurrah only has trade value if other clubs will take him and they won't. Port can take Jurrah with pick 100 in the Rookie draft. We'd have to use pick 3 in the PSD to take Jacobs. If we want a trade we'll have to offer something more equitable - otherwise they'll just say - go ahead draft him.

Yes but I'm not so sure we've got GC on the ropes - maybe we have offered them 13 for Caddy and they're trying get us to up the ante. You can't blame them - that's what this whole thing is about - GWS and GC squeezing some incentive out of MFC not to bid. That way all 3 clubs win. The simplest deal with GC would be an overs-trade for Caddy. The all-round lose will be if a deal can't be struck and we're forced to take him at 3 - that'll be a negotiate failure by someone - and not necessarily us.

I'll be a member of the club that Jack Viney is playing at next year, there's only 2 possible outcomes: 1. We take JV at 3 because GWS or GC forced us to 2. We take JV in the 2nd round because we've done a deal with GWS and/or GC

Yeah in a tight industry I wouldn't burn my reputation for fair dealing if I was unable to deliver on my end of the contract - I'd come to an accommodation.

http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/31348-free-agency-compensation-picks/#entry620892

I know enough about them - he'll either play next season on full whack or he'll retire and we'll come to an agreement with him to pay him less.

No other club will be interested in him now - he's got two choices, front up for another Misson pre-season or retire now on half next year's contract.

Dollars chatted to Ned - 'nuff said. nek minnit Ross is at Freo.

They could just say we'll draft Jurrah and you can draft Jacobs - if we had a particularly good relationship with them then this trade might happen. But Jacobs would have to want to come only to us - unlikely, other Victorian teams could be in the frame - Geelong, Essendon, North etc., then ort may actually be able to get real trade value.

won't be delisted while he's tradeable

irony overload