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With 2 & 3 already this year maybe Freo's 1st next year suits them. It's likely to be in the vicinity of the compo pick they would get if they held on to May. Then the question is: is it better to have him there or not in 2019? GC really need to get value for him now and start to make progress but as you say @Lucifer's Hero how many 18 you do they need? In 2016 they had 4 picks in the top 10 Ainsworth, Scrimshaw, Brodie, Bowes - none have come on really strongly unfortunately and Scrimshaw is on his way out. However last year none in the top 10 because they traded 2 for Lachie Weller. Maybe 3 in the top 5 of the "superdraft" is the best plan they've got? Craig Cameron is a smart, experienced operator who was at Richmond for their rebuild. He's no nonsense too so I think they are in good hands. But what a challenge with both co-captains leaving in one year! Hardest job in AFL. Maybe it warrants it's own thread - what would you do if you were GC List Manager?

OK BnF is an event to get past.

Is Gaff really still trying to decide between North and West Coast?

How many times have you seen him live in action?

Good get!

Don't have an answer but they look like player numbers, game points margins or draft pick numbers to me

No Mahoney No Oliver

West Coast have up until Monday 15 October to match any RFA offer and force a trade: Friday, 5 October: Restricted free agency offer and unrestricted free agency period starts. Monday, 8 October 10am: NAB AFL Trade Period starts. Friday, 12 October 5pm: Close of restricted free agency offer and unrestricted free agency period. Monday, 15 October 2pm: AFL restricted free agency matching offer three-day period ends. There's time for plenty of water to flow under this bridge.

It could get ugly if he nominates the Eagles though. They have Gaff cap space too.

Weak troll. It might seem like a cute joke but the ignorant here will believe this and run with it. You should know better.

Agree and if Kent follows this path then he will not be part of the Demon family going forward and likely be booed in all future meetings with St.Kilda, after destroying the legacy of a significant part of his career. He'll be retired a long time.

Correct and well said but you shouldn't need to do it. I have already posted this in the thread and it's far from the first time. It is hard to understand why @Dr.D continues to post wrong information about historical trades and then makes incorrect assumptions based on these errors. The real information is easy to find on the internet. Mahoney and ream have done a tremendous list management job recently, not least creatively trading up for Oliver and Weed. We had @goodwindees telling us we should be "harder" and more like Essendon. When I challenged him to provide a list of Dodoro's trading coups all I got was crickets. There's an agenda of unjustified outrage among some posters who use misinformation and ignorance as fuel.

Totally shiit attitude. Hysterical premature lachrymation. #ETjellyfish

Too much assumption in this thread Freo can get Ports picks. Freo's best pick will be 5 and Lukosius and Rankine are tipped to go earlier at GC 2 or 3, Saints 4.

If you were Norf's list manager what would you do? They are in draft no mans land. They could trade out say Goldie keep Preuss and go to the draft. But they probably wouldn't get enough difference in the deal. I think they've got to go for it. It could be California or bust though.

Can't knock Norf for having a dip. Otherwise they are locked in mid table mediocrity. They have a solid base of senior talent across the board with Tarrant, Brown, Goldstein, Higgins, Cunnington. Add genuine talent in Gaff, Polec and Hall and they could jump up to contend. Relatively weak teams have been winning big lately. The biggest issue for them may be the disparity in pay for the newcomers vs the incumbents. They must've sold the ultimate success dream to the incumbents and if it comes everyone is happy but if it doesn't - even finishing 2nd - cracks will form. They've gotta punt though I think.

Unrealised potential.

Sorry, I didn't have the adjusted picks after Academy and compensation picks so it was actually a bit different in the wash (I've corrected it above now): Treloar + 33 for 9 + 8 (next year) + 63 Treloar + 563 for 1469 + 1551 + 112 means Treloar for 2569, pick 2 = 2517

Just to be completely clear it was Treloar + 33 for 9 + 8 (next year) + 63 A 2nd rounder came back to GWS.

it's the nature of the beast. I should add Ben Kennedy and Pat McKenna in there too

I think there are 3 kinds of trades for players: Blockbusters with early picks and big salary involved: e.g. Lever, May Role players for known quantities: e.g. Vince, Lewis, Hibberd, Melksham, Garlett, Tyson, Bugg, Preuss Speculation for players that have unrealised potential: Frost, Balic, McKenna, Kennedy, KK In some ways #3 are most interesting

Norf fans on BF claiming (in the Preuss thread) they have Josh Kelly in the bag next year too on a handshake deal with GWS, even with Gaff, Polec and Hall coming in this year. Must have bottomless salary cap.

He is out of contract at the end of 2019 but he is not a free agent then. Scroll back through the thread if you need verification, it has been explained a number of times.

It looks like the fact that Hogan is not a free agent next year has to be re-stated on every page of this thread.