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About a year back we had a massive thread that explored this. I exaggerated the mission of a club. But the statement rings true - a club exist to win flags. Good clubs win flags. Great clubs win flags, and provide a good club environment. Everything other than success can be contained in 'good club environment.'

I think he means that because TH and DB went after him in the first place they forfeit their claims for good judgment. But I would argue that 1st post is a forfeit of good judgment. MFCSS "For everyone that can go wrong, will go wrong. And it only happens to Melbourne, and we never have a decent FD, and why can't we be more like Collingwood. I really wish we could attract and keep players - other clubs never lose players like we do."

MFCSS Oh, this is giving me the vapours!! How dare they look past the heroes of the 2000 GF... You do realise that Cameron was injured for the Granny don't you? We are trying to win a flag and you want to celebrate that by holding on too long to stalwarts of a failed past. We wanted to keep him, but he left for the price of a Rav4 and assurances of his 13th year of AFL. Excuse me, for thinking about the footy club... And a fracking flag.

Suprised?! Effing oath we were suprised. We offered him his 12th year on less than market after paying him for most of the 11 before that above market. We expected him to sign on and finish his career as a one club player. Forgive us for not thinking that he would leave for an extra $20/40k after tax, and assurances of games and/or a year extension. He wants a flag and fair enough. But I think he will come to regret this decision.

His own analysis? So Schwab says to Tim Harrington - "Hold off on your planning, Tim. I know you want to win a flag and we are paying you build a list to do that but we are waiting for our veterans to decide what to do." How could that possibly work?! All those names listed that were "burnt" were shown the door to hasten the event that probably gives you wet dreams - a flag. Forgive me for not caring about whether we pull the pin on 'heroes' a year earlier than they 'should' get. They got to play for the Melbourne Football Club and got paid to do it. A footy club is put on this earth to do one thing - win flags. "So I hear a word out of any of you that ain't helping me out or taking your leave, I will shoot you down. Get to work!"

Here, effing, here! The guy had nothing to offer. I'm sorry to all those who think he was funny - I'm sure you'll enjoy Jackass 3D as a way of consoling yourself.

We'll be fine without him but the statement I said before still rattles around in my head: If we knew Bruce was off I think we would have given Junior another. So now I can't help but get to the conclusion that TH's job has been dictated to by a former player. It does not sit well with me. I don't care about what 'it will look like' - I only care about a flag, and if experience is needed to drive this kids on then bring him back. We have leaders to replace him but... There are leaders and then there are leaders... Junior is/was one.

Wait. If the do a Leading Teams style group then we might find out who of our younger players is looked up to by the group but the FD might say let's leave it at 5 or something.

Green Davey Moloney Jamar Rivers If they are desperate to put the future in there then Frawley or Grimes will do.

I don't really think this is a endorsable viewpoint. We committed as much as a club in our position would commit to a 31 year old. He wanted assurances that we were not willing to make to a 31 year old. We committed. And if we, with the age of our talent, bowed to the demands of a 31 year old - we should be committed. The club didn't push Cam or James - reality did.

Remember they are drafting 18 year olds. Chances are that they will be ready to go - if they are a tall - in three/four years at the 'Frawley' earliest and seven/eight at the 'Jamar' latest. Or not at all... What needs do we have in 5 years time? I guess that is why we pay a bloke to be list manager...

No he didn't - Davey did. Bruce won in 2008. It's really inconsequential. He wanted more than he deserved for the position the club is in. He saw the writing on the wall. We were honest, and told him what he didn't want to hear. And given the time it took maybe Nixon was trying to get a automatic extension clause in the contract - reach a certain amount of games and you automatically get another year. I don't like them and the club obviously felt that they didn't want to be painted into a corner. He left, and we make the best of an imperfect situation. If you're worried about onfield - we mave Morton. If you're worried about leadership - bring back Junior. If you're worried about the ramifications on the other players you are suffering from MFCSS. This stuff happens, they know this. Someone else happened recently that would have more of an effect on the group - the China trip.

A number of posters have said that if we knew this weeks ago Junior would have stuck around. If so, and we don't backflip - our retention strategy has been dictated by a former player who took too long and ask for too much. Maximize our list, bring him back.

Can those that think this situation: Is because we shafted our captain!! Means we can't entice and keep players at the club!! Doesn't bode well for negotiations with Scully, Grimes et al. ....please leave the talking up to the grown ups? Thanking you in advance A non-sufferer of MFCSS rpfc

I don't think so. My mind changes when the facts change. The facts have most definitely changed...

There is a place for him at the expense of a rookie spot. The kids need some leadership, and he was playing well enough. If Bailey says he doesn't think he is best 22 anymore then fine, if he thinks he can be then give him another.

The reson why we didn't give Junior another was because we were trying to maximize our list with the two vets. We now arenin the position where we have a vet spot open and I believe if they believe we lose leadership then bring back Junior. I'm with DC. Bring him back.

I will remind those complaiining about the "Bruce bashers" that we admire a great deal about Cameron. He is an elite runner. He has a great amount of class. He can play in any position on the field. He knows where to run on the field. He has an awful kicking style. Is that better? More holistic? It's all beside the point. We are here to win a flag. Where does Bruce sit in regard to that aim? In the stands with me, unfortunately. It is just the luck of the draw - a stalwart without time and age on his side. Yes, we can get near it in the next two years. But the club hasn't planned to win one in the next two years - they want a prolonged period of success when our (hard earned) talent gets going. I want a flag. And I don't care about sentiment, or delusions of grandeur (RF - Really? A flag chance next year? Raising expectations and corresponding disappointment is what we MFC supporters do I guess (I heard a lot of it leading up to the GF in 2000 - luckily I packed REM for the train ride home)). I think Cameron has been a great player for the Demons, but his time as one of our most important players is over.

DA was saying that Morton can adequately replace Bruce. I agree. But that isn't the point. He MFC is trying to win a flag and that tilt doesn't involve giving a 31 year old who won't play in a flag anything more than he deserves. And Morton will be a ute, and I doubt he will be played in a key position. We have those positions covered for the future anyway...

He serves a purpose. But not as great a one as his management has led him to believe. And his kicking is far worse than Scully and Grimes. Especially considering all he has concentrated on in the last 10 years is AFL footy it a shame you have tried to compare him to a 19 yr old and a 21 yr old. He has two years on the VL left if he wants it. He has to take it a year at a time and on money that reflects his importance to our flag tilt. If you have a problem with that mindset. Please justify it.

I know it is easy to draw up some hard and fast line for Bailey next year but... If you are talking about the court of public opinion then, yes, people will not be happy losing games we should win. However, if it is the FD/Schwab then they have to take into account other factors like injuries, 'footy sucks, sometimes' games, etc. If we are playing well in most games and continue to be competitive, and continue to blood our talent I can put up with a less than stellar 2011. I don't care about finishing 6th and bombing out in the first round, I want to win a flag.

This eems to be working again. Interesting to see people's expectations - 85% believe we will go into the Port game over there with Finals on the mind...

I think it's Frack Me Dead.

I won't, but others don't appreciate deviations. It's not cricket season yet so I zoned out for a few posts.

That is it. You lose credibility entirely with a post like this. I'm evil because I think you are overtly and unnecessarily negative?! From now on, until you show some sanity - I will not take the opinion of Sdemon53 seriously. Change your name, or your attitude.