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It's amazing what more responsibility and opportunity can do for a player. He is completely different to Jamar and that is valuable down the track. I really think he has taken a massive step and has all but sown up the back-up ruck.

The most galling thing about this is that Ratten and Riley use to coach the very players they are saying play 'bruise free' footy. And that they obviously singled out the Captain, as Robinson mentioned him specifically. We have all already discussed these issues before Carlton belittled us so no surprises there. Let's hope we rectify it from here on in. Especially Rd 20.

We have gone through this before - players are allowed to be unhappy with their footy when they haven't kicked a ball in anger since Feb... I have heard a few things that he desires more professionalism from some players at Melbourne. And why wouldn't Scully find faults with the professionalism with those around him? He's the ultimate professional. And he is naive. Perfect storm to be annoyed. Doesn't mean he is going anywhere.

Oh, and you keep up the good work too. I would use the winking emoticon if I used emoticons and I wasn't so sure you were being vociferously flippant...

Yes, this thread is Exhibit A in the great Melbourne Supporters Malaise... I think we are arguing past each other here. I don't believe you have a problem with my KPIs or metrics in general - you are just annoyed at the low bar some fans give the team and their resulting satisfaction with the teams mediocre performance. I doubt many would disagree with that sentiment. I certainly don't. I hate the 'near enough is good enough attitude' of many Dees fans. Look at the revisionism of the Daniher years - we were in the top 4 deep into 04, 05, and 06 and didn't have the mental fortitude to get anywhere near a Prelim. And yet, fans fondly remember the 'relevance' of the Daniher years. This thread isn't about small wins for the team, it's about measuring their progress (if there is any).

I would have asked for a jab and get out there, especially when you are watching a slow moving car wreck that was the NM game...

I'm not justifying anything or anyone. I'm disappointed and so are the KPIs. At the minute they show a stalling of the team, and an extreme inability to show any sort of consistent performance. That's all I am willing to read into them at the minute. And winning/losing is important. But whether you like it or not - everything has a process, and all clubs. Even Collingwood would talk about the process - the things they have to do/complete/compete in - to win games of footy. So I suppose you're right that Winning/Losing is all that matters, but the process decides whether you will win or lose. I find value in measuring that process, and I will let others decide with their 'mouses' whether they do too.

It's not ironic in-and-of-itself, but I will pay it anyway because I was on about second gear writing that...

Who would come to a club that has been so irrelevant over the last 4 years? And Scully hasn't gone yet... And Thompson is the only player you mentioned that I am dirty we lost and he went home (yeah, Jolly is good - Jamar is better). So I don't really see the mass exodus... We are not in a great place but the torch-bearers shouldn't light the fire just yet.

I don't think that's true, KPMG did a study a found that... Honestly, Robbie. Wins and losses are KPIs too. If legislatively important ones... I think there is value in some metrics. How much value? It's up to each of us to analyse. And I have hardly done any analysis of this year KPIs yet, and have repeatedly said they are bordering on meaningless until more of the season has unfolded.

Have a look, I don't care. I don't think you'll find much.

That's a very simple way of looking at things. Thank you for your input.

The St Kilda game was pretty good stats wise, the Carl was less than great...

I agree. I'm not wrong often but when I gave Green the faint praise of being the best of adequate group of leaders, and that he will be a fine captain - I was wrong. He isn't a leader of men and it shows. The sad thing is he isn't even trying to fake it...

He is in charge of the Swans 'academy.' Hence the 'us.'

Yeah, it's great but it doesn't mean a thing of we are back here in 6 weeks time... And Bailey was right to do what he did. Our club got critiqued by a player of another club. You don't let that shite stain you - I don't care if it is true or not, he was right to defend in public the players I hope he bakes in private.

Well, as long as we are not condemning the present with the failures of the past... Jeez...

You're right. And there is a bit of a disconnect here - we have good young midfielders, but that doesn't mean we have a good midfield. Gysberts will be special but his kicking is sloppy and he get muscled around in the packs... Moloney is an elite clearance player (with Jamar) and B grade around the ground, Jones is a solid B in most areas (been very consistent this year), Sylvia is ABC at various times (is getting more consistent aswell), and the rest of our midfield are kids.

That's a good post in a thread. Just not this one.

Echo here. How can we have a go at a ruck coach who has seen one gain AA status last season?

As am I, but I distinctly remember him coming off the ground early in the season clutching his knee. Considering his 2009 and 2010, I think it fair to assume this injury has curtailed his ability to perform. It doesn't excuse other aspects of his game though...

Bailey and the FD tried to turn it into a shitfight - the backline went well (kudos MacDonald), the midfield broke even if Chris Judd didn't exist..., and the forwards wouldn't know a shitfight if one tweeted them to inquire their interest in seeing the new Avengers movie. And Clay - apart from the FD, the club has had a revolution. Saying 'it's all shite, and my club sucks' isn't helpful, and it isn't true. Jim will mould the FD as he sees fit in the off-season. Until then, we are just going to have to deal with an outsider (Bailey) amongst the old Melbourne crew (Connolls, Viney, O'Donnell). As an aside, some of those pushing for Viney to be caretaker ASAP also bemoan our 'culture' and the need for an outsider. If Viney was put in as coach, we would be entirely made up of ye olde Melbourne footy club that has a 'culture of failure.'

He was evidently more than sore. And how do you know there was not a point where it was a manageable injury that suddenly became serious? I would say half the team, on all occasions, are managing slight injuries. Really unfair.

Threads like this make baby Jesus cry. You are reading far too much into twitter @daveytrain1 ok? #cryingJesus

I think you mean the other way around... Aaron has an excuse for his poor performances. He does not have an excuse for his poor body language and attitude. Bailey has had no luck this year - personnel wise. 8-10 regulars out for long stretches and Davey, Frawley, and Jurrah playing injured with another few 'best 22' horribly out-of-sorts.