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I guess that depends how we go in Rd 23...

The PSD is quickly becoming irrelevant an I expect there to be only a couple of players picked on the 27th if any. According to the 'passes' in the ND the following clubs have Primary List spots available: GWS (5), Syd (2), Carl (2), Rich (2), and Coll (1). Most of those clubs will only have 38 players on their primary list because of salary cap pressures: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-22/swans-38player-strategy The order at this stage (this will change with any more deletions): GWS, Coll, Rich, Carl, Syd, GWS, Rich, Carl, Syd, GWS, GWS, GWS. It will be interesting to see how relevant the PSD is come this Wednesday...

I don't think Salem will play Rd 1. JKH would a slim chance but more of a chance than Salem IMO.

2017 Dunn, Hogan,Viney, Lumumba 2016 Dawes, Grimes (RFA), Watts (RFA), Michie*, Vince, Tyson*, Kent, M Jones, Spencer, T McDonald, Terlich*, Jetta, Garlett, Stretch, Frost, Newton, Petracca, Brayshaw, Neal-Bullen, O McDonald 2015 Trengove, Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA), McKenzie, Howe, N Jones (RFA), Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Toumpas, Pedersen, Salem, Kennedy-Harris, Hunt, Cross, Bail, Riley, Harmes ®, King ® * = Require confirmation... List Spots Available: 0 PL, 2 RL Deletions (10 PL, 1 RL): Clark, Frawley, Byrnes, Nicholson, Clisby, Strauss, Blease, Tapscott, Georgiou ®, Barry, Evans Additions (Bolded have places on PL): Jetta (Upgrade), Stretch, Garlett, Lumumba, Frost, Newton, Petracca, Brayshaw, Neal-Bullen, O McDonald, PSD2, RD2, RD20 Actions: Byrnes retired. Jetta upgraded and signed till 2016. Bail, and Riley given (assumed) 1 year deals Terlich given two years (speculation) Nicholson and Clisby delisted. Frawley FA to Hawthorn for ND3. Stretch acquired in F/S for ND42 Garlett acquired for ND61 and a swap of 5th round picks. Clark swapped for Lumumba. Frost, ND40, and ND53 acquired for ND23. Strauss and Blease delisted. Harmes, King retained on RL. Georgiou delisted form RL. Tapscott delisted. Ben Newton acquired through DFA. Barry retires from AFL. Evans delisted and paid out for 2015. Petracca, Brayshaw, Neal-Bullen, and O McDonald added at the ND.

I wouldn't be surprised if Toumpas and Salem both spend their first few years off a HBF before moving into the midfield. We have thrown the kids in there because we have been negligent with our midfield recruits but having Jones, Jones, McKenzie, Grimes, Vince, Cross, Tyson, Viney, Watts, Trengove, Blease, Evans, and Howe ahead of Salem means that we can bring the kids in when they can cope better.

Jeez, Billy... He won't just be asked to play small forward though, he will have to move into the rotation and from reports he was comfortable doing that. Seems incredibly mature for a draftee and as I said, is at uni already, I think he is a small chance to start Rd 1 if he stays injury free. 2014 rpfc Prediction: 8 games ave 8 K, 3 H, 2 M, 1 G, 3 T.

He's got zip and confidence from that package. The chances of someone this deep in the draft making it are slim. I hope we can get a glimpse in the NAB Cup.

Agreed.

We had a chance. Didn't take it. Move on.

We have had Molan, Bell, and Smith. I have only looked at the raw numbers but if I am bored on the weekend I will attach teams to them. And bing - those numbers are correct - however, if I went to 150 games the number jumps to half. The drop off after around Pick 25 is startling - I will try to illustrate it properly when I have time (and find the right graph).

Nah, don't need a dislike button. Fragile egos and all that.

Well done Deestroy All. We don't know who we should have taken for a few years. Same goes for Toumpas and Wines. I like the fact that he is confident, knows how to get the footy, has got good skills, and loves to tackle. All he has to do is back himself at AFL level and fill out a bit.

I don't think the Swans would be relatively worse than any club when it comes to this Teenage Lottery Draft that we have in the AFL. We can all point to failures but unless you can show me a bell curve that illustrates a marked difference between clubs - I would say that even the best teams have failures. Maybe not as many as us, but failures none-the-less... Note: 35 of the 105 players taken in the Top 15 from 1999 to 2005 didn't play 100 games.

MFC patronised as The Challenge of the 21st Century effectively and Roos said "competitive for longer" again. None of the players are expected to play games next year. He said there were no ceilings but settling in and showing good habits and good form in the NAB Cup for Casey will happen before any games are given.

During the season? These guys are babies. I think your problem is unfairly inflated expectation, not a lack of deliverance by 19 year olds.

Freeman standing next to Salem made quite the juxtaposition... I really am not interested with what Collingwood did - we obviously believe that Salem can get near to being as good as his idol Luke Hodge and I hope he gets there. But as Roos said on Fox Footy - don't expect him to play in 2014. Kennedy-Harris seems far more mature right now so I think from the draft he would be the only one that could play a dozen or more games.

I think this kid is more of a chance for Rd 1 than Salem. Good head on his shoulders - already at uni as a aside - and he plays a role we don't have much of. From his clips he looks very smart and can find the footy in space. Thank christ!

Yes, but if Watts is being pushed out of that Forward Line than Fitz will find it hard to fit there too. Someone needs to sacrifice their game and attract the footy and smash, and get smashed, and that is the selfless role Dawes can do. Clark and Hogan can do it to, but I don't want them to - and this leads us to the issue of what do you want the forward line to look like and can it function well. I think it functions better with Dawes.

Mind was elsewhere apparently.

He is uncomfortable with the idea of being a long term coach again. That is understandable. He doesn't mean he won't be kept around in the FD for years after his stint as head coach...

Well, if we did our comprehension skills would be lacking: Fitz 15 goals in 11 games. Dawes 12 goals in 12 games. Dawes also managed 20 more marks than Fitz.

Wouldn't the playing up and moving on make him a 'dud' - it would certainly make him a 'dud pick.' I would say we need talent and we need to get the most out of our picks that we can - such is the state of our list. That's not an argument for or against picking Garlett up, it's an argument against being blase about it.

'New' players cannot from what I understand, but even that may have an age limit. Players that have nominated before can name their terms if they wish I believe. I have the old CBA and not the new one so I can check but it will be from a 2 year old CBA.

It's interesting, and refreshing - 'If you want me, you can have me on this, for this long. Otherwise I am happy to move on.'