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This is the best news... McDonald signs and Roos actually rates an inherited youngster. I will update the contracts thread.

Give us a plug in player instead of one of those picks and I like it a great deal. Matt Shaw? May? McKenzie? 4 and 24 for 11, McKenzie, and 31. I hate doing this stuff...

I think that they should use the percentage of the cap as a part of their formula but their formula is as malleable as the truth down at AFL House. They won't give us a PP but give us Pick 4 for Frawley. It's just the perfect PR answer to us needing talent and the AFL needing to show its owners (Coll, Haw, WCE, etc) that it doesn't give a sucker an even break.

He's got two months to turn it around.

Nah, not a clue...

With Harmes and especially King - why bother taking them if you get rid of them after 1 season? That is a rhetorical question - they will both be retained.

I was more incredulous that you didn't see the references to Sylvia as Band 3 that's all. The only thing that is factored is the new contract and the age of the player. Frawley will return Band 1 or Band 2 - and if he signs a four year deal for $600k I think we will see Pick 4. If we don't then we will see Pick 19/20. So either 4 or 20. One is arguably 'overs' and the other is arguably 'unders' so I hope the benefit of the doubt goes to the team with a great need for a top 5 pick...

lol I was benignly adding the bands to the conversation. You're welcome.

lol Really?

Band 2 is the pick after the first round. Band 1 Goddard 27 - $3m/4 Thomas 26 - $2.8m/4 Band 3 Sylvia 27 - $1.05m/3 Dal Santo 29 - $1.35m/3 Frawley would bring: Band 3: Pick 24 - (Frawley 26 - $1m/4) Band 2: Pick 20 - (Frawley 26 - $1.8m/4) Band 1: Pick 4 - (Frawley 26 - $2.6m/4) I am not sure when one Band jumps to the next Band but my money is on Band 1 and Pick 4, and I was right about Sylvia...

You need to stick to talking about the 'bands' that each of these are in. Dal Santo got Band 3 Thomas got Band 1 Franklin got Band 1 Sylvia got Band 3 Goddard got Band 1 Pearce got Band 3 Chaplin got Band 3 That makes a lot more sense about what people are worth - the fact that Bands 1, 3, and 5 are tied to a clubs 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks is an equalisation measure and makes things a great deal fairer to lower clubs losing players.

Yes, he is young and he will get a longer deal I would say. Also, we need a PP and giving us a top 5 pick is the perfect way for the AFL to not give us a PP, but also say to us 'hey we did you a solid guys, you're welcome.'

That's a rather large - we can do whatever we want - caveat in bold...

Yes, I am sure their formula of 'making it up as they go' will alter due to the increased money available...

The cap will increase by approximately $500k next year.

I feel you are so enamoured with her for the shock value you get on here when you illustrate how enamoured you are...

Haven't you heard from Essendon people? They are in tip-top shape - don't need any assistance at all...

I am sorry Bossdog but I have read what wyl, bb, and a few others have said - and they are querying the state of the list. Their opinion. S-home is chasing them around harassing them with false equivalencies and inaccurate interpretations of what they are talking about. For example; the 20 players who won't take us forward that s-home slammed as a desire to delist that many in a few months time. I have seen and read enough from s-home to know that what he decries about this forum - he has become. This is a site full of opinion - some bad, some terrible, and some olisik - but bringing more self-righteous indignation and abuse on those opinions isn't helpful. I am joining Binman in his Ignore Preferences.

Facts? We are 16th with 4 wins after winning 6 of the previous 44 matches. That tells you how competitive we are. And I said that those players would struggle to get a game in a 'MIDDLING' side. The Saints and GWS are anything but that. The VFL reviews by Allison for some of those that I have mentioned have been largely damning. You are not picking holes in my view that 27 players have not yet proven they are apart of the medium term future of the club. That is what we are talking about - not how many will be delisted at the end of the year - but how many will join the dozen (or just above) AFL standard players we have. I know Kent, Salem, JKH, and Hogan will join them soon. I have very little evidence for the other 27 (or 26 if you want to treat Westrupp as a sub-human). You talk about facts but where is the evidence?

This is an interesting topic. The Saints need a PP soon. But if they are to get one (or two) in the next few years - we must be awarded one at the end of this season. It is ridiculous that a team that went 6 and 38 was told that Clark 'coming back' was reason to not get assistance and now we are looking like being 12 and 54 over the last three years with Clark retiring from football and Frawley possibly leaving through FA. Equalisation includes Priority Picks given at the discretion of the Commission - if they are to able to use that in the future they must consider the MFC at the end of 2014 or remove Picks as a form of equalisation. And who is hurt by the hubris of Evans and those that said we don't 'deserve assistance'? The Demons, Saints, Lions, Blues, and any other team with a sick list in the future.

Above is the post that started your fit. WYL did not say they would be delisted - he said they would not take the club forward. Approximately 8 or 9 of the 45 listed players will go at the end of the season: Clark, Byrnes, Blease, Strauss, Westrupp, Nicholson, Tapscott, Georgiou, Terlich, Barry and Clisby are the players that will make up these 8 or 9. The bolded players are near definite deletions at this stage. In addition to the 11 players listed above: Evans, Gawn, Fitzpatrick, and Spencer are also treading water in their development, McKenzie, M Jones and Bail are limited players that would struggle to get a game with even middling teams, and Cross and Jamar have 1 or 2 years left. In addition to these 20 players; Trengove has a career threatening foot injury, and Harmes, Toumpas, Riley, Michie, Hunt, and King are speculative youngsters (a couple of them are not so young) that we do not yet know will make it at this level. That is 27 players that are not in a position to say they will be around in 3 years time, or that the club are in a position to show faith in. ! Kent, Salem, Hogan and JKH are not yet ready to shoulder a large burden on their talented shoulders and we have a team of 14 AFL ready players who just have to be fit and in form for us to compete with any team. How anyone can think our list is in good shape is beyond me. WYL is right at this stage - and, unfortunately, you have nothing but insults to beat him back with.

Wishful thinking. Frawley is an UFA - he can go wherever he wants without the need for a trade - Sydney does not have to engage with us. And they wouldn't.

Getting hung up on his skill execution misses the point. He is a CHB. He would be dynamite if Nick Malceski was on his left and Rhyce Shaw on his right.

Manage Ignore Preferences. Go there and the waste of time you are all engaging in will cease.

Our list is in an awful state relative to even middling teams. The last couple of drafts/trade weeks have helped comparatively immensely but we don't have a healthy list yet - and we won't for a few years yet. With that said - you don't get rid of every 'non-AFL standard' player that you have on the list - you would be picking at 104, 105, 106, and 107 while every other club has gone home and you will most likely be delisting those 'talents' two years down the track. We need to keep those that are showing something and allow Roos to mould them into capable role players (Jetta and Pedersen), use their capital to get capable professionals (Sylvia for Vince), or trading for talent and value (ND2 for Tyson and Salem). Outside of that, you just have to manage their exit over multiple off seasons so that we don't have to take more than 6 or 7 players in the National Draft. Any more than that and you are just giving a 2 year contract to very speculative teenagers (any new players to the ND get automatic 2 year deals). So we have 20 players who are currently not AFL-standard (I would argue that would be a conservative number) but that does not mean they won't get to be AFL standard players OR that you remove them in one or even two off seasons... 3, 5, 10, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 22, 24, 26, 27, 29, 32, 33, 35, 37, 41, 42, 43, 45, 46, 47 and 48 would struggle to get a game in a middling team in the AFL as they are a kid or just not good enough. That is 24 players on a list of 44...