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Do you know why I referred to them as irrelevant? Because of the opening post: We 'need' to win them both? Maybe I am too fastidious about the definitions of words but there is no need to finish on 6 wins as opposed to 5 or 4. Wins over those lowly teams will not propel us toward any grand future, nor losses diminish our already terrible season (although relatively speaking this season is a comparative success to 2013...). Winning those games would be just great, but those results are irrelevant to where we are at and what Roos and Jackson must do.

We oscillate between loving, liking, loathing, and hating this kid over the course of the last 5 seasons. The sad fact is that it is missing the point. As a 195cm HFF with damaging skills - he needs others to get him the footy. We don't have those players. Watts is just a role player in a list with about 15 AFL calibre players (some of whom are also just role players).

That's right. The frontloading of contracts was an ingenious way to meet the minimum of the cap but as you say - it creates more room in following years to pay others and when you can get a Clark or a Dawes to soak up that cash - great. If you can't then you are going to overpay a number of your players rather than recruit one overpaid player. Another issue is the AFL making up - on the fly - that the FA rules will look at the last year of a contract rather than the whole contract averaged out over the length of the contract. The point is that the salary cap minimum is here to stay and so is the practice of bad teams overpaying talent.

McDonald is staring blankly into the stands and Nathan Jones is staring at Chris Dawes' shoes... Are you really judging his desire on 2 seconds of cut away footage? As a captain who does those speeches every game - all players react different ways to what is being said and their attentions and facial expressions are as meaningless as you have taken meaning in Watts'. You want eyes all the time, but holding grudges against the occasional wander is self-defeating - it's the kind of crap I heard Neeld was fond of to be perfectly honest with you.

Top 10 in year 8, 6th in year 9... Yay... Cough.

Like Undeetered, I am equally sceptical about what you are proposing to do with that extra cap money. We will use it for fringe players at Casey. Kids are at Casey and NQR players. Do we pay and play more pros at Casey? Why wouldn't we target players to get paid more that actually play AFL. If you are recruiting kids to play at Casey while they develop - why would you pay them more than they are worth in the market? Overpaying your best players is an unfortunate happenstance when you have a barren list like ours.

And why would they do that deal? Unless you get both to say - I am going home - GWS doesn't want to get younger by doing that trade.

We have less talent than other teams but have to reach the salary 'floor' - of course we are going to over pay. This is the least of our concerns. Not having the talent to over pay would be a higher concern, yes?

I am sorry that you feel my view that we have a bad list is an 'attitude' and not a statement of sad fact - but we have about 14 AFL standard players on the list right now and some of them are out of form... They bashed psyche of the players is concerning and affects performance but when comparing lists with other teams - our talent is potential talent and our AFL ready players are few and far between.

Yeah, if we don't win them, we might miss out on finals... We are a bad team, with a bad list - these two games are as irrelevant as the MFC right now.

Yes, but a few weeks ago Bail was working his way back to being a productive player - now he is 'part of the problem.' I am sorry to say this - but this list will not be fixed this October. It will take 3 years. Bail being delisted for Pick 105 is not 'making the list better' it is in fact - doing the opposite. I am using Bail as an example here but the notion 'anyone would be better than...' is the stupidest reason to get rid of someone. At the end of 2007 and in the next couple of years we got rid of pros and replaced them with kids because 'that's how you rebuild' - well we now know that is BS. You make the list better by bringing in talent and making sure you space out the deletion of those that won't make it strategically so that you can maximise the amount of high end talent you bring in over these 3 years.

This hurts my feelings, supermercado. I have a thread on the board right now and mine is better than this one. Nicholson is OOC this year. Tyson got a three year contract. Sigh...

No, but I have a mortgage on an opinion goose. I don't know what's worse; the repayments or the fact that he has to tell me what he thinks about EVERYTHING...

Ruthless Rooth-less adj. 1. Attaining something in an impossible scenario. 2. To get something worth something, with nothing. 3. To expect an unrealistic happenstance.

1: Pick 3 2: Pick 4 3: Pick 20 4: Pick 40 5: Pick 59 6: Jetta (Elevation) 7: Pick 77 8: Pick 90 9: Delisted Free Agent 10: Pick 100 Don't know about the kind of talent you would be getting in with those last few - with Frawley tying our hands in FA we won't be getting any FAs in.

Nah, PJ - let Roosy do it.

Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies.

He has never been more effective than in the 8 or so good games he has played down back this season. He is still young and is learning some excellent defensive traits back there being a part of a defence that has reduced the score kicked against us by 7 goals. And, OD, of course if someone offered a capable midfield replacement for him we would have to look at it - but what player doesn't qualify for that kind of statement? Very few. I would have traded his flashy marks for some substance in a heartbeat last October, but 2014 has seen progress from Howe, and Roos is using his skills to great effect in the backline.

2014 is his 2nd year. Too early to tell. Hasn't played enough to know.

Billy, just ignore me if you think I have wronged you so. For the post in question - I was using 'you' in the abstract - as in 'when we are talking about compensation, I think you should stick to talking about the Bands.' That's not a demand - you can think what you like Billy - you have my permission if you need it. I don't really know what I have done for you to just fall apart all over the internet every time I post on something but it might be best if you just ignore me.

This only guarantees 4 years on the list for Barry though. We have plenty of players to go before Barry. He can have a chance to prove himself.

Pardon? The picks given will be in one of the Bands - if you want to disagree with that point by all means. But I think we will get Band 1 or Band 2 and that means Pick 4/5 or Pick 19/20. I would love to know why the Bands are irrelevant.

Updated. All important players back for 2015, bar one.

This is the best news... McDonald signs and Roos actually rates an inherited youngster. I will update the contracts thread.

Give us a plug in player instead of one of those picks and I like it a great deal. Matt Shaw? May? McKenzie? 4 and 24 for 11, McKenzie, and 31. I hate doing this stuff...