BoBo

He kicks important goals which is exactly what we need.

Good way to G up the crowd.

Big yes from me for 2 years. Genuine target and even his bad games are rarely that bad. He’s consistent and you know what you’re gonna get. Would know a thing or two about standards and would be a good mentor for JVR and Jeffo. Edit: and would know what a functioning forward line should be doing/receiving.

Let’s go India! Hoping for another moral victory for England.

Best of luck young fella, take your opportunity!

I said it in an above comment, but if we need to do basically a review to see if the changes that were recommended were: A) implemented Or B) implemented correctly Then I fail to see how that isn’t a systemic failure of oversight. I have only ever done mid-management roles but monitoring that implementations have been made and maintained is core at even that level.

Yeah I think I’m at a point after reading this to say that Green/the board needs to answer some questions about this statement. Were they monitoring his performance and this article is incorrect? If not…. WHY???????? If that article is correct then what are they doing down there? You don’t wait for implemented changes to fall over (not be followed in the first place) before you assess them. It’s literally called monitoring. Alarm bells are going off on so many levels.

Really well said LH. It really seems like there’s systemic issues with accountability.

I’m confused as to where this team is list/age/expectations wise for next year. Are we expecting to be in contention next year? Are we planning to continue to rebuild? I’d expect losses if we fundamentally changed positioning (not Tracc/Oliver/Viney ever as the midfield trio for example) and we are building for 27’/28’/29’, but is that what we’re doing? I.e. blooding all the youth and bringing in more. Are we expecting to have a serious shot at a Granny next year? Because if Goodwin is left in charge, what choice does he have but to just try and win as many games as possible despite what moves might be better long term? That’s where I’m at, he’s literally coaching for his job, not necessarily what is beneficial for us beyond next year as that may not be enough to save his job. Approaching Daniher to come out of retirement is one such move.

Wow. This game is stuffed.

Yep that’s totally fair.

Yep fair point.

I hate to say it and this might [censored] a lot of people off, but I’m just being completely honest. In 20 years, this demons team is going to be remembered as chokers. ‘yeah they won a premiership in 21, then lost 4 finals in a row, crashed down the ladder and suffered one of the worst losses ever to an average Saints team’ Nobody is going to give two [censored] that we ‘almost won’ those finals, that we had injuries or whatever. It brings me no joy, but that’ll be the story. That’s why this loss is way worse than 186. I have rarely heard non-Melbourne supporters bring up 186, if ever. This Saints loss will be remembered and ties a neat bow around this [censored] era. I think a lot of us feel so angry, because this loss is a bookend to a wasted era. If others disagree, then that’s fine. I personally don’t think it’s ok that this team produced 1 flag. I’m actually so dirty about it.

Imagine the players we’ll attract to the club this year, haha ‘Well the coach could be gone 3 games into the season and our training ground is 2000 miles away but we do have the best club colours’

Just a nice, lowkey, focused summer of pre-season 😂

I think it was good that he said something, shows someone is driving the ship even if it is just window dressing. But I’m agnostic on what was written in there to be honest. And yes, I don’t really know if there’s anything that could be said to satisfy people (which I think is justified considering it’s arguably the one of the greatest losses ever basically), but I’m of the opinion saying nothing would’ve come across as even worse. And your last statement is very very true, we don’t need this to blow up anymore than it already has so I think I’m ok with a conservatively written statement like the one penned. What a [censored] show, haha

May I just ask what did people want Brad Green to say in that letter that wasn’t included? I.e. was there not enough focus on how [censored] the performance was? Was it glossing over how angry the fans are? Not defending it, just curious as to what people wanted him to be saying so close to the loss. (Obviously outside of ‘we are sacking X’ as that’s probably a process that is difficult with out a President/CEO in place or without consultation in implementing a process to be able to tee up a coach)

But the mindset of the players is exactly what the head coach is responsible for? Like their number 1 priority is ensuring the mentality of the players is right going into games? If a groups of players mindset isn’t right, then I don’t see how it doesn’t fall on the coach. If the players are disregarding what the coach is saying then I’m sorry but that too falls on the coach is there is a disconnect. I’m not saying this is 100% the fault of Goodwin either, it’s a multifaceted issue and from what I can see a bunch of systemic faults at play, but Goodwin cannot be excused in totality either.

This is a worry of mine, that Goodwin will make decisions to try and fix up the team for next year to save his job, rather than making bold decisions that will see results over a longer time period. Patience has basically run out, so if a coach is in that position, rationally it would make sense for his next decisions to be based on short term success rather than more long term overhauls.

Oh, my apologies also @Demonland , I didn’t see that post either before I commented

P.S. can all the members of the Pod please allow themselves a few minutes each of totally expletive ladened free time to just let rip. I cannot believe we are in this position!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Huuuurrrrrrgggghhhhh….We’re gonna have to rebuild when Tassie comes in and sweeps up a bunch of draft picks aren’t we? On recent history we cannot recruit good (not even gun, just good) players from other clubs. Tracc/Oliver way overpaid and under skilled for the current high skill based game plan and their trade value has surely decreased significantly. We have bugger all gun players in the 23-27 (or 100-150 game bracket) on top of weak list depth. Forward line still an issue, JVR and Jeffo no guarantee either will make it. We have a good core of young players for sure, but North have years of high draft picks and they are nowhere. Recruiting good players is a must and we seem unable too. The idiom of a creek and lack of a paddle comes to mind.

Bloody hell, GWS ey! They should really pick more fights as they play their best when things get aggressive on field

I agree with everything you’re saying, I would just distill my disagreement on the wording/logic of this decision based upon the fact that the reasoning Gleeson has used to arrive at his decision, is post-hoc justification. It’s very transparent and frankly pretty insulting that the method he has used is: Concussion is the end point, so work back from there to justify why the outcome is wrong. I know I’m banging on about this but man, people need to fully understand that the words ‘could’, ‘should’, ‘reasonable’ are carrying the inherent justifications he has used, can literally be used to suspend any player, ever, in which an injury had occurred. Players ‘should’ and ‘could’ make 100 different decisions and the allocation of ‘reasonable’ can be applied and justified, again post-hoc, to literally every single contested ball or injury outcome. It’s a contact sport, so all players ‘should’ know that an injury ‘could’ potentially happen by any play that involves physicality, therefore, they ‘could’ have made different decisions to mitigate the potential for injury. This logic can be applied to anything!!! If it was applied in this way equally, players would be suspended every single game. I know the vast majority of people are against this decision but it is painfully absurd in its logic.

Just think about the logic of the should and could for a second. If a player was to purposefully kick another player in the knee and cause damage then it’s a suspension. Now just say a player tackles another player, and the tackled players leg gets twisted and they have a season ending knee injury as a result. The tackling player SHOULD have known that those kinda of knee injuries are possible and thus knowing this, COULD have not tackled the player with the ball, so therefore, that’s weeks right there. That is a completely analogous situation to the May one. There’s zero difference in terms of the logic. It’s ludicrous.