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All my hopes lie with the Lions. A Richmond Geelong final will be hard to stomach.

Hardly overrated. He's a brownlow and norm smith medalist!

conor rozee is a stager. he needs to cut that out.

never holding the ball against duursma there

I've muted the commentary. its much better.

crowds at footy. Sigh?

I would. If Carlton or any other team make a silly offer we should listen. I think it’s dangerous for a club to think someone is untradable. Leads to poor list management decisions. I bet Collingwood wish they could have their time over again with Grundy. 7 years on big coin. He’s had a pretty indifferent season and now it looks like they’ll have to shed one of De Goey or Treloar because of cap issues when they could have had 2 first round picks from Adelaide. Same with Daniher last year. Absolute stupidity by Essendon not to trade him. Clayton is a super player no question and I’d hate to lose him but he finished 5th in the BnF. He hasn’t had a great year by his standards and I don’t think that’s just because of coaching (although it definitely plays a part). I’d offer him 3 years on top dollar. If we’re successful in that time he’ll re-sign and if we’re not then we should accommodate his wishes and allow him to find a new home if that’s what he wants to do.

Would you trade him to Essendon for Zach Merrett and pick 6?

Doesn’t fill a need. Expensive. Injury prone. Pass.

They nicknamed a black man “chimp”. He has witnesses to corroborate this. Collingwood and AFL have handled this terribly and will be shown up badly. It’s another reason why I dislike the suits that run the game. They proclaim how woke and right-on they are but as soon as the rubber hits the road it’s a different story. There’s no doubt Lumumba is a temperamental character but he’s dead right here. I’m forward to seeing Collingwood and the AFL squirm.

The AFL in its current guise is unsustainable. The suns are a waste of time and money. A drain. GWS not much better. All the while, Tasmania, a genuine footy state and capable of supporting a team with a leg up is ignored. HQ full of suits, consultants and hangers on that contribute zip to the game. I mean, half those roles have gone as a result of the pandemic and you wouldn’t notice. The AFL is run by a few for the benefit of a few. All that money flows to the top to pay an elite group of administrators and players. It’s wrong. I’d much prefer to see a model whereby much more funds were distributed to local footy clubs and facilities, coaching for kids, grassroots. The game is for the people not for a few to enrich themselves. It would be a silver lining if the pandemic forced a re-think and a more egalitarian model. Won’t happen though. Too many powerful clubs and vested interests. Too much money at stake. All that'll happen is a couple of clubs get squeezed out and their share divvied up amongst the remainder.

I agree with the consensus here that Nev is past it physically. I’ve wondered why Collingwood are prepared to offer him 2 years and I wouldn’t be surprised if its because of his leadership. It’s no secret they’ve had cultural issues over there and Nev would be a perfect candidate to lead a change and instil better values. MFC really shouldn’t be letting someone of Nev’s calibre and character leave the club. Surely there’s a role for him. With the possible exception of Jones, I don’t think there’s another player on the list who better embodies what I would consider the heart and soul of the footy club. Selfless, committed, never shirked responsibility, gives his all, led by example. Oliver, Brayshaw and a few others could take a leaf out of his book. Come on MFC. You gotta have a role for this champion. A one year playing contract transitioning into a coaching, mentoring, leadership role. If you’re not sure yet what the role is then you have a year to figure it out. Don’t let this bloke leave.

Please no. Not Collingwood. Those black and white stripes will look terrible on him. I can’t imagine seeing Nev lining up against for queens birthday. It’s just not right. I understand the man has to put food on the table but surely there are other options out there for him. The player mentor role has been mentioned. I think that’s a great idea. If it came down to a choice between him and Jones for a leadership/mentoring/coaching role I’d pick Nev (and I’ve nothing against Jones). Plus I reckon you can get another year out of him as defensive depth. Hopefully this is all just trade scuttlebutt. I’d hate seeing Nev in a Collingwood Guernsey.

he was AA 2 years ago. he was 5th B&F this year. He needs to take a leaf out of Trac's book. IF he does the sky is the limit

Not sure about that. The entire midfield unit has under-performed which suggests to me coaching is part of the problem.

He’s not blameless for this years failure. I’d prefer if Clayton knuckled and focused on his kicking, impacting the scoreboard and leadership rather than sooking. Having said that there’s no way he leaves this year. Carlton are dreaming.

In no particular order: JT to pull another rabbit out of the hat in the draft Harmes to be played in his correct position and return to his 2018 form. Ben brown to kick 60 Trac wins the Brownlow The penny finally drops for Gus

Never heard a word about him being a disruptive influence at all while he was with us. Liked to let his hair down now and again but jeez that hardly makes him disruptive. His body language was poor at times but you could say the same thing about Oliver. Clubs seem to want robots these days. Fremantle have a poor record of managing players. Plus a new coach comes in this year with his own ideas. Tabernor comes good all of a sudden. He got injured last year and to me it looks like the club didn’t put proper support structure around him. Now all of a sudden we’re hearing how disruptive he is. Freo would be one of the last clubs in the AFL I would recommend a player move to. Jesse will find a new home easily but I reckon the best place for him is the MFC. HE was well liked here, produced good football and can fill a need. The only reason we traded him was because he wanted to head back to Perth and we needed the pick for May. And we thought TMac could play his position. Less said about that the better. My only concern would be the foot injury. He’s injured it a couple of times now so it’s a definite risk. Subject to medical DD I would welcome him with open arms if he decided to come back.

Plus, it can’t be a very pleasant work environment for him. He’s under-performing and on a big contract. The other players are bound to be resentful towards him. Professional pride has to play a part as well. He seems like an honourable sort and I can’t imagine he’s happy collecting a big pay check and not pulling his weight. I hope he’s realistic with his wage demands. For everybody’s sake he needs to leave the MFC.

I guess it depends how large the debt would be Old Dee. Nothing wrong with debt as long as we can service the interest and meet the repayments. I haven’t seen any costings or plans so have no idea what kind of $$ are needed but we have a sum of $6m odd from the Leighoak club sale and could dispose of the Bentleigh club and tip those proceeds into the project as well. The club appear set on the MCG precinct which I think is the right call (but will be difficult to secure). You can generate better commercial returns in a central location. I think the club has a large latent (we packed out the MCG for those 2 finals in ’18) following as well if we could just get on a run of sustained success (big if I know). And I wouldn’t be in favour of unsustainable debt levels. Any debt has to be sensible and manageable.

If Brown’s motivation in choosing his next club is footy related then no way he chooses Essendon. It’s a sinking ship over there. If he does choose the bombers it’ll be for the money in which case we’re probably better off without him.

He’s been a quality player and provided great service to Hawthorn. I just wonder why they’re only offering him 2 years. I guess with Yze back in the fold and a proper medical we should have the information and intel we need to make a considered call on his fitness and length of contract.

Just watched this. He's an outstanding young man. Level headed, down to earth and family orientated. We're lucky to have him.

With respect you can get stuffed. It’s our history for good or ill and I’m proud of it. You should head off down to Tassie and support your new team down there. Off with you.

You’re right. I was being a little flippant in my previous response. Success depends ultimately on people. IF you’ve good people involved you’ll get success. I think that’s where Essendon have gone wrong (and indeed ourselves in the past). Richmond, West coast, Geelong, Hawthorn even Collingwood (as much as I dislike Eddie) always have quality people involved.