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The Hun have us trading pick 9 (adjusted after Green bid by Sydney has been match) and GWS going with Ash ahead of Young, who slides to Freo's pick at 8. If that's where things are trending, then we have an interesting pool of teams who may be willing to move up, but not really sure which players in particular will generate the interest. Kemp, Bergman (who Gold Coast do like, linked with the Dogs at 13/14) or Serong may be around the mark if Adelaide go for McAsey at 7. https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-considering-trading-pick-8-to-land-three-top-prospects-in-next-weeks-afl-draft/news-story/efc635c787e5f19fae30aab8f6fa5daf

There are 5 or 6 quality half back options in this draft alone. We could select a good one at 8 or split that pick and still potentially nab Kemp, Gould, Rivers or Day.

I think his season was vastly underrated. Think he'll end up going higher than what he is currently expected to. If we don't go with Young and end up splitting 8, I hope we take a good look at Trent Rivers. Had an excellent season splitting between hb for WA and inside mid for East Freo. A Jackson, Rivers, Pickett result from the draft would tick a lot of boxes for us.

Some profiles to go with the ones Sheehan named: https://www.insidesport.com.au/news/sheehans-top-40-afl-draft-prospects-534051/page0

Interesting that Cooper Stephens, who played 2 games before breaking his leg and missing the rest of the year, is ranked at 16.

IF we were still set on getting Martin, we still have time to reload contracts to fit him in. $650k across 5 years isn't wildly extravagant in the current landscape, but the $1 million front end loading is. AFL.com article basically says the fact that we can still re-organise contracts means the door isn't totally shut on us, but GC is effectively ruled out: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-11/jack-martin

I'd have him behind all of those named. Taylor intrigues me the most, but have a hunch that he's not someone we're considering all that strongly.

If we do end up deciding to go with Jackson as high as 3, we could split 8 and select Gould as a similar(ish) player to Young and go with whichever small/medium forward is available with the second pick. That could be any one of Weightman, Bergman and Pickett all of whom we've been linked with to varying degrees.

And Hawthorn and Geelong before them.

Bennell was one of Martin’s best mates at the Suns according to this piece from last year. They did seem to look for each other pretty frequently in the GC forward line.

There were a few that ranked Grundy the second best player in the pool. Key difference b/n Grundy and Jackson in their draft year is exposure and runs on the board. Grundy showed plenty as a 17 year old and then backed it up in his top age year, including good performances for Sturt’s senior team and dominating at the Champs. Jackson’s recent conversion to the AFL pathway means there’s not a lot of prior performance and he’s only shown a fraction of what Grundy had at the same time. Also, he got better as the season wore on and some his best performances came off broadway at WAFL reserves level post champs. I think those performances really elevated his standing, but most of us haven’t seen those games. I watch a fair amount of junior footy, but I am confident that I haven’t seen enough of Jackson to make a judgement on whether we should pick him as high as 3.

Agreed. Harmes still had 2 years to run on his contract, so fair old extension. Wonder if his contract has been structured (or re-structured) to give us some flexibility as early as this offseason.

Unless you’re the Suns and you’re given a priority pick to keep mates together...

These highlight reels a bit better: https://www.goldcoastfc.com.au/video/2014-08-31/rd23-jack-martin-showreel https://www.goldcoastfc.com.au/video/2017-09-13/22under22-jack-martin-highlights

Michael Gleeson went on to say that the Dees weren’t mentioned in the story because they ruled themselves out (follow up tweet to the original link to the Age article)

I guess all of that still applies to us if Martin isn't delisted prior to the draft. If we keep working away in the background (which I'm certain we are still doing, but not in the open), it would be negligent of Dover to ignore us IF we could clearly match salary demands. With player salaries still being private, I think there's a fair amount of 'best guess' scenario's being thrown around in these conversations (ie Carlton should have more cap space than Melbourne), but there's still a relative lack of certainty there for all involved. How good is our poker face?

Dover's got a history of this. In the lead up to the 2012 mini draft this is from an article in relation to Martin nominating for the mini draft. I'd like to know Jason's thoughts on the 'wrong club' and the 'right environment': It is a system that Martin's manager, Jason Dover, said could work for the teenager if he is recruited into the right environment. However, it is possible he would remain in WA for the first 12 months of any deal if that didn't happen. "We need to make a decision by Wednesday as to whether Jack nominates or not and part of that decision is weighting up which clubs are likely to figure for this," Dover told AFL.com.au. "If it looks like the deal is done with the wrong club and we don't believe it would be best for Jack's development, then there is every chance that he'll stay in WA for that 12 months. "Having a year in the system and developing a lot of the positive habits would be perfect for him in the right environment and with the right plan around him. "I can see it working really well for a player like Jack, it's just trying to get him into the right environment."

We've done so much work in promoting the game in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island communities in NT, and Nev's consistently been recognized for his work outside of club time, if that's of any importance to Martin we should be well ahead of Carlton on that score at least.

Dees have a month to keep pestering Martin and his management. Martin currently in Europe, so Dover is handling everything and currently batting away any other offers. Carlton offer is generous and a lot of groundwork already done. If the path to Carlton starts to look unlikely, he’ll have to switch tact, but no surprises with what’s been said so far. If Melbourne are genuinely keen they’ll persist.

Why are ‘well placed sources’ leaking now?

Josh Kelly was also in the pool for the 2012 mini draft. Was the first time we snubbed Kelly...

Apparently Dogs identified an injury that required surgery that Crows knew about (but their docs said surgery not required). Injury flared up and he's gone in for surgery and will miss first part of the year. Dogs didn't want to pay original trade price, and deal has fallen over. Could be quite a cheap pick up for someone.

Don’t mind this. We were steadily building before this years horror show. I’m prepared to call this year an aberration, so may as well capitalise on position and maximise draft capital. Next years draft looks messy and compromised with some of the best kids already attached to clubs. Didn’t think splitting the pick wouldn’t involve pick 3!

Serong is more and more likely to be the one at 3.

ACL's were pre-draft, he managed to get back from his second to play some decent TAC Cup footy. Impressed with his speed and power at draft combine and there have been no injury issues in his two years on the GWS list.