Fanatique Demon

Ditto. (And Max was extremely unlucky to lose out to Treloar for the trophy.)

Agree, NSFM. (Except that is "shoo-in".)

Agrée, JD!

Lucky for us, 2020 we be an even one.

Remember we had exactly the same problem at the start of 2018? It took us 4 or 5 weeks to sort it out. Then 2019 rolled around and we did it again. Can't understand why we didn't learn from last year and start 2019 with a more sensible defensive set-up. Isn't that what coaching is about?

I'm glad to see this thread is back on track after all those childish and insulting posts. Why can't we accept that we have different opinions, but that each of us is entitled to that opinion? Play the ball and not the man or woman, folks.

Great post. I agree with you 100%.

Brayshaw doesn't even look interested.

Lové Oliver, but hé seems to kick without looking.

Funny but true, Deeko2.

Brayshaw minus 5 Garlett minus 4

So you think name calling is ok. Keep it adult, please.

So you don't agree with my opinion. Ok, but you might refrain from name calling. Show some respect.

Familiar territory. Our comfort zone?

A friend and I had an interesting WhatsApp exchange. He's a Saints supporter. His idea was to merge the two clubs to make way for a Tasmania team in 2020. Not suggesting that's a good idea or would ever happen. But he said the Saints had the better list and he could easily find 13 current Saints players who'd be walk up starts. I thought surely we'll have more than 13 in a combined team with the Saints. So, who are our 13+ players? On this year's form I found only 7: Gawn, Oliver, Brayshaw, Harmes, Salem, Viney and Melksham. Add Injured players May, Lever, Jetta in the hope they'll make good recoveries and recapture their form. Now I have 10. Maybe include Tom Mac because he'll put through this slump. So that's 11. After that it gets seriously difficult to find others. Conclusion? Maybe he's right. The Saints have the better list and we have 11 real players and a lot of pretenders. Perhaps we could offer the pretenders to the new Tasmanian team ?

Dee Zephyr, you have my vote for prophet and assistant coach.

You're right. The cupboard is bare. And he's the captain so it's unlikely he'll get dropped. Hardly the way to earn most games in the famous #2. In my humble opinion.

Yes Rolling Fog, our players are far too polite. Unfortunately they're more polite than some of the contributors to Demonland.

First, Nasher, I'm not "this dude" but a member with an opinion to share. Second, he shouldn't stand aside because I think he's unworthy of second place but because he isn't up to it at the moment. Understand?

Jones: two games short of Robbie Flower's 272. Have appreciated all Jones has done, but he doesn't deserve to pass Robbie. Or to hold the record for the #2 jumper. Stand aside, Nathan.

Lockhart - don't get caught oliver - handball it wider Jones - prepare for retirement Lewis - media career awaits Brawshaw - find a teammate Viney - try some skill Frost - think/act quicker Gawn - never gave up Tmac - much better effort Stretch - earned another game Garlett - worth a try Smith - that, and better Melksham - showed up mids Salem - one with class Hibberd - played fumble ball The rest - can't be bothered

And what's with his giant wide-open mouth when he stops running? Is he yawning?! His play could put me to sleep.

Hard to find winners, but Tmac and Hibbo did their jobs despite making plenty of mistakes. I generally love Oliver, but he played poorly. Yes, plenty of possessions but fumbled, missed targets and ran lazily. I thought he looked injured, disinterested, or both. 106 "Fantasy Points"! The name says it all. So my votes are 6 Gawn 5 Melksham 4 Tmac 3 Hibbo 2 Brayshaw 1 Salem

Not blaming anyone in particular, but I find too many posts turn personal. It's spoiling it for those of us who just want to understand the game and share our thoughts. Please!

He might be a bit slow Sisso, but check out his numbers for last year: Disposals 540 (4th for our team) Kicks 285 (3rd) Marks 115 (4th) Handballs 255 (4th) Uncontested possessions 349 (3rd) Intercept possessions 155 (1st) Not bad for an old man.