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Hogan out Weid in. 7 goals please.

Jake Niall: it's cultural. Caro: "I don't know how they lost it." https://www.theage.com.au/podcast/the-age-real-footy-podcast/could-bringing-in-tom-lynch-backfire-on-richmond-20180813-p4zx93.html

Sure, not disagreeing with any of that, and time etc etc etc. I guess my broader point, poorly made, obviously, was what is the level of confidence in Goodwin. I guess your response is give it time. Which is cool, I get that. As others have put, though, he's been in the system for a while and had a big head start. I just have a really low level of confidence, but I can't quite put my finger on why. It's not anything to do with vibe and Mabo, though. And I might be way wrong, because I have no link to the club beyond 32 years as a supporter.

So, you wouldn't swap Hogan for Weid?

Respectfully disagree. Lack of composure, deer in headlights, panicky football = no scoreboard pressure. Allowed Sydney in it. And then 2 men down?

There but for the grace of God, etc. That is telling reading. I hope it gives ol mate nightmares. Probably not though.

In the interests of accuracy, part of what you said was " Anyone who thinks we lost because of our kicking for goal is clueless. " Now, it's true it might not be the only reason, but the numbers don't lie - turn 4.14 around and the discussion is academic. I blame the inaccuracy first. Whether its root cause is lack of composure, whatever, end result, bad kicking, bad footy.

Amazing to see how quickly the Gaff-Brayshaw hyperbole has been quelled. It will be interesting to see how things progress. Is there any sense when we might get an indication?

No doubt from here, I take it in good faith/on face value. Who is doubtful as to the veracity? Good points, too. A summer off and he might be fine. Due diligence needed. He's only, what, 26?

My personal opinion looking at on/off field demeanour is to favour Lever in a leadership role. That's observation from afar though.

Erm, to be fair, we played GC twice, SKFC twice, Adelaide x 2 (admittedly for one booster), Dogs x 2 and have luckily only met Richmond, Hawthorn and Pies once and will only meet WCE and GWS once, or else our % might be a lot worse. Don't forget to make up for the rather large losses to Hawks, Tiges and Pies (3 losses), we had to [censored] Carlton, Suns, Adelaide by a factor of x2-3, plus win a heap of games in the range 30-60 odd points. Had we really beaten Geelong or Sydney (with straight kicking) this line might have more validity. (I agree with your broader point though: % is less important than actually winning big games.)

Tom Cruise more reliable output than the MFC, even with a broken ankle. Saw it yesterday. Walked out, checked scores, rolled eyes. "Luv! Hey Luv! We've got the Colliwobbles!"

Good point. No longer surprised at lots of wins against bottom sides, to the extent we're expecting them (and expecting some to be big). Heightened expectations (which is what made St Kilda loss worse). Had we beaten St Kilda we'd have an incredible record against all teams below us bar Geelong. MFC more reliable against lower teams. Now for the big games. Good perspective. (We'll still miss the finals and I'll be spewing but.)

Against Sydney, we brought it, in spades. However, the team went full Ian Baker-Finch and basically lost the game off the boot in the first half. It's really that simple. Bad kicking (and lack of composure) is bad footy.

I took 8s after the GC win. My crystal ball was right. Only regret was not putting on more.

Wait what? McGovern is getting 385 Million per season??

I'm expecting a circa 5 goal loss to the Eagles (but as bad as 8goals) and a 4 goal loss to GWS.

I was thinking about this this morning. What's your level of confidence for MFC to win a flag if - Goodwin is coaching? (Mine is close to 0, and that's informed by the last two seasons, more than any feelings about yesterday's game, which I'm mostly circumspect about as I completely expected capitulation.) - Clarkson is coaching? (Mine would be a lot higher, e.g. 100% in next 5 years). - Choose your favourite coaching prospect or change to the coaching team (+ Caracella etc etc:

To be clear - are you saying all those calls - Tmac etc - were Goodwin's? Someone else in the box didn't suggest?

Well that escalated quickly. Now we're talking about trading Petracca!

Me neither. They are rubbish.

Just because Jack changed does not mean Hogan will.

In a multi-verse version of Melbourne, you mean.

Agree. A hard-nosed edge - killer attitude - may help. Are there any companies doing business running camps that focus on such things?