biggestred

Lets not forget there are 3 separate issues here. 1) players with performance enhancing drugs in their systems. (under investigation by ASADA) 2) extremely poor governance by the EFC (which is what the AFL have punished them for) 3) Occupational Health and Safety (it cant be long before Worksafe becomes involved, surely) and possibly 4) links to criminal activity (under investigation by the ACC)

Gone. will always be able to say he went out swinging.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-12-04/demetrious-letter-to-the-clubs andy D goes BANG

are you saying that we are turning to the Kangaroos for some help? perhaps advice re revenue streams (given they are the only club without pokies and still bring in more $ than us)

Very sarcastic Redleg

These articles just basically attack the AFL and the way it has dealt with what happened at Essendon. They certainly highlight that the AFL could have handled things better. What EVERYONE in the media seems to be missing is that it would seem that there are multiple people at Essendon who have caused this whole thing BY SYSTEMATICALLY INJECTING PLAYERS WITH ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES.

robbo will be going hard at the cheating bombers no doubt.

one group is made up of liars, cheats, egotists and completely lack integrity. the other group ride bikes

Leading teams really is a case of buy in or get out - clubs who are really going hard with this will not care if you are the most talented player on the list if you don't buy in, they'll trade you. see collingwood

Having read Ray Mcleans books and used some of the strategies myself, I can say that it is a fantastic program IMHO. but it is a very long term one - I was shattered when neeld got rid of it. bailey had it for 2 years and it was just starting to pay off. there will be off days of course but its a great way of getting those home truths out in the open. for example, everyone knows stuff about other people at their work, what their main problems are, if they are lazy or don't do x, or concentrate too much on y or whatever - but usually this stuff just gets said behind that persons back. this is a way of telling that person their problems and then saying "we will help you improve"

bulldust. this is a media award if ever there was one. forget how good they might be in the future put yourself in some media churnalists shoes. they already know Hogan will be amazing. you cant bet on this until round 10 when they have their favourite.

Much odds. big stupidity

This is my favourite thread ever.

theres a difference between laying a big shepherd in an era where that was allowed and occasionally getting it wrong (Byron) and kicking people in face/elbowing them in the head (Brown). C. Brown is a f log of the highest order. Tom scully is a far lesser f log. I would rather we had no player on our list than him.

If we finish higher than the pies or essendon ill bust a nut

actually I thought he was pretty spot on - youd be [censored] if someone was getting rid of you because they didn't like your opinions but told you something else. I cant imagine buckley being very open to others opinions, esp those which might be different to his own. the pies will never win a flag with him in charge. as an aside, how good Is it to see other clubs becoming a rabble

saad 18 months

I always thought the best thing about supporting the dees was that it didn't matter if you were male, female, short, fat, young, old, tall, skinny, black, white, yellow, missing limbs or brain cells, rich or poor that if your heart beat red and blue then you were part of the club.

we need to get rid of the blue panels from under the armpits - that's why we clash with the saints so badly

thanks for that BB. well, its better than having 3 blue v's on a red background... haha

Tbh that freo one makes me want to vomit. Would much prefer just one solid blue v instead of the 3. Literally just push the 3 blue vs together

Our current jumper has a tapered blue v. It also has blue panels under the arms

this would be acceptable (obviously with the red extended to be the same as on the home jumper), still with the blue V below it

you know what would stop a clash with those teams? the 1970s royal blue jumper.