titan_uranus

I can't shake the feeling that we're going to lose this one. We shouldn't. We should win by 6+ goals. But I can't help but feel Adelaide will pull one out, knowing this may be their last chance to win a game all year.

If we lose tomorrow night, this thread will want 90% of our list traded or delisted.

If we lose, this board will go bananas. If we win, even by 100 points, this board will shrug its shoulders, dismiss it as an irrelevant performance, and expect us to lose to North.

The backline was, by far, the best part of our side last week. Lever was a stand-out part of that. Rest of your post is anti-Lever biased guff. Agree re: Hannan. In recent weeks I've seen footage of Melksham giving huddle speeches and revving up the kids. I've read somewhere that he's a leader of sorts and I think that is part of why he's kept his spot. He's also improved the last few weeks, to be fair. He should have been dropped a month ago though. Melksham earlier this year, and Harmes/Brayshaw right now, are the biggest examples of favouritism we're seeing. In all three instances, we've seen players woefully out of form being persisted with. TMac, OMac, ANB, Hunt, Smith, Bennell, Jetta and Hibberd have all been dropped this year after having had fewer chances to perform than those three. I don't know if it's cliques, it could simply be Goodwin's stubbornness on show: doubling down on his method, and therefore the players he sees as "core", because he thinks that's the only way out and/or doesn't know any different.

Two thoughts come to mind following that game. The first is maybe that 4 day breaks are a factor: Brisbane was off a 4 day break, Richmond had 6. Although to counter that, Brisbane generated plenty of scoring shots, so it wasn't all one-way traffic. The second is that the comp remains very even. Brisbane were pretty poor in most facets after quarter time. Pretty much every side has had a stinker of a loss so far this year. Indeed, every club except GWS has lost at least one game by 30+ points this year (side note: a week ago, there were three other clubs who with GWS had not lost a game by 30+ points. They were Brisbane, Carlton and...wait for it...us).

Lever was unquestionably in our best last week, but feel free to maintain your bias. Frost and wrecking go well together, though.

Thinking this through, surely Tomlinson is going to play defence. If he does, we have a back six of Lever, May, Tomlinson, Hibberd, Salem, Lockhart. Jones/Harmes (vom)/maybe Sparrow seventh defender. Forward six then is Weideman, Jackson, Melksham, Fritsch, ANB, Bennell. vandenBerg/Jones/Sparrow maybe seventh. The rest are midfielders: Gawn, Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Brayshaw, Langdon. Harmes/Sparrow/vandenBerg rotating through as needed. If Tomlinson plays wing, we're short in numbers and height in terms of defenders, and we then have too many players trying to fit into the limited minutes we can give to the five non-Gawn midfielders.

I don't get it, and I don't like it. Oscar was poor last week, but we've had a settled and functioning backline since he came in. Last week we had a disgusting drop in pressure and increase in turnovers, so it's no wonder the back half performed worse than it had the previous month. Adelaide has a relatively tall forward line (Himmelberg is 198cm, McAsey is 197cm, and Walker, Fogarty and Lynch are all 193cm). Was this the game to throw the third tall defender out and, presumably, rely on Hibberd to play on someone 7cm+ taller than him? Or are we sending Tomlinson into defence when he hasn't been training as a key defender all year? Or are we really dumb enough to put Fritsch back into defence after the abject failure that was Fritsch in the backline in 2019? It doesn't make sense to me. Meanwhile our midfield last week was poor and we've made no changes. All of Sparrow, Jones, Brayshaw and Harmes retain their spots. I don't mind Bennell and ANB changing up our forward half mix, and I absolutely agree with TMac being dropped, but I'm concerned that we're going to disrupt the improvement and progress we saw in our back half. Maybe it's MFCSS, but I can see one of Adelaide's talls doing a Kent Kingsley and bagging 5 against us, making Lever and May look woeful as they repeatedly find themselves out of position trying to cover too many talls without support.

Why do we need to think outside the box? Our four best players last week were, in no particular order, May, Lever, Lockhart and Hibberd. The midfield and forward line applied about 1% of the requisite effort and pressure, for whatever reason. So quoting the 23 form 47 stat doesn't say a whole lot about the individuals in the backline. Says a lot more about our team approach to defence. In each game from Carlton through to Brisbane, our defensive half set up has improved. We've seen Lever and May get better at working alongside each other, and for a period OMac looked decent and may have assisted (or may not, jury's out a bit on that). In the hierarchy of problems we have, the backline sits well behind the midfield and forward line. And if you were going to make a change, "thinking outside the box" is a nice buzz phrase but what are you actually trying to implement, and in what way does TMac help? He's slow, unfit, out of form, and hasn't played defence since 2017. And you've suggested adding him to Lever, May and OMac. Why do we need to go taller? Why do we need to go slower? Who makes way for him? I don't think there's a solid argument that TMac should be a defender and should replace OMac. I think there's even less of an argument that he should be added to the backline.

If the ANB news is true, it could easily be vandenBerg and ANB for TMac and Pickett.

You don't know that. Gawn's influence isn't just in clearances. Even on one of his poorer days, he is an elite runner, making position and dragging opponents with him as they're scared of his ability to control the air and provide an outlet for us. Neither Preuss, nor Jackson, nor anyone else on our list, can command the field like he does.

The article makes some interesting points. One of those is the argument that there is merit to a club staying strong and keeping the faith despite the outside noise. It also makes some odd points. He suggests trying Hannan or Fritsch in the backline, in some sort of attempt to replicate Howe. What has Hannan shown to suggest he could be a defender? And worse, did the author not watch Fritsch in the backline in 2019? The stat about inside 50s vs tackles inside 50 (4th vs 14th) is important, but the question is what is the cause of that? IMO, one of the causes is being outnumbered forward of centre, meaning that it's too easy for our opponent to clear the ball before we can put pressure on. Another cause is kicks resulting in intercept marks: I'd love to see the stat for intercept marks conceded, and I suspect it would be high. No chance to lay a tackle if they've marked it. And another cause is the wrong mix of forwards (e.g. too tall vs Port). I don't agree that we need to find a different sort of "high half forward" to put pressure on. We have them: Melksham, Hannan, Pickett, vandenBerg, even Spargo/ANB/Hunt when they're in the team, can all chase and apply pressure. But it's much harder to do when we butcher the ball and turn it over going inside 50. If we hit more targets, or create more even-numbered contests inside 50, we'll be able to generate more pressure. So much of our malaise stems simply from turnovers. If we reduce the turnovers, many facets of our game improve.

Hard to watch us, or the competition overall? I'm not finding the comp hard to watch at all. It's odd, and it's different, but it is still a competition with meaningful games and meaningful results. The condensed rounds are tough, but whenever I hear players quoted on the topic they talk about being grateful for their chance to keep playing and being ready for the challenge. Yes, it's tough, but I'm not sure there is currently sufficient evidence that these shorter breaks are detrimental to the look/feel of the game, the quality of the game, or player health. Happy to revisit in two weeks as we see how it unfolds, but right now I'm comfortable with it all.

How many soft tissue injuries this round, Skuit? More than a "normal" round? (PS: Gawn's injury is yet to be confirmed, AFAIK).

I appreciate some of the attempts to spin positives out of this, some of which I agree with, but let's be clear: Gawn is a superstar and one of the few players we've had who have performed at, or above, their expected level this year. We will be worse overall for not having him out there. If he's out for two weeks, he'll also miss the North game and probably the Collinwood game too. Having said that, I agree we can win without him, and it may be a chance for our midfielders to think differently about how they approach stoppages. If Preuss is available for selection then surely this is his time. What's the point in having him if he doesn't play when Gawn's unavailable? If he's not available for selection though, then I'm not sure what we do. TMac was hopeless and should be dropped. I'm not sure he's fit enough to ruck. Maybe Tomlinson gets the spot?

We won't learn anything from the Adelaide game unless we lose. It's one of those classic MFC lose/lose situations. We either lose (all hell will break loose, and rightly so), or we win, even by 100 points, and the response will be "well Adelaide are as bad as GC in 2011"". If we win, as we must if we are even half-decent, it will tell us nothing. North on Sunday is the far more telling game, particularly if we beat Adelaide easily. It will be the real test of our players' resolve: will they rest on their laurels after "easing the pressure" with a win over Adelaide? Or can they focus for consecutive weeks?

Agree with this. A funny thing about Demonland: posters complain all the time about selection being ridiculous but then use the fact that someone was dropped against them. Yes, Tomlinson was dropped. Some would argue a bit prematurely. And when you consider that the FD has, ostensibly, played favourites this year in retaining Melksham though his form slump as well as Harmes and Brayshaw, bringing TMac, vandenBerg and Bennell back before they were ready, and not picking Weideman for weeks, maybe the FD got it wrong in dropping Tomlinson too? And he was never in as poor form as being dropped suggests?

The Geelong loss? Our third game for the year? After we'd fallen over the line against Carlton? It "killed any momentum"? That makes absolutely no sense to me. You are advocating for writing off the season because, the argument goes, we can't make finals (and/or can't win the flag). That, IMO, is accepting our current mediocrity. You want improvement. So do I. But why can't we demand improvement as well as wins?

Based on the way he moved around the ground, yes it absolutely was. Sparrow I agree with: he wasn't necessarily the wrong player to pick but he wasn't in the right role and it impacted others. If we want to tag someone, Harmes should do it. In fact, Harmes probably shouldn't be playing at all unless he's spending significant time in the middle. So putting Sparrow in there over him is a mistake and the FD should have foreseen that.

Goodwin moved Fritsch into the backline in the second half, as part of his (useless) flipping of magnets. Yes, we run around the field a lot, but it stems from turnovers. We looked composed and well structured over the past three weeks. We weren't turning it over as much. The two are, IMO, inextricably linked. When we turn it over, we find ourselves caught out of position and then we look all over the shop, forcing everyone to sprint around to try to plug gaps.

Says the poster who does nothing but start and bump threads criticising players and doesn't engage in rational discussions. You cop heat on here because, like olisik, you're impossible to read or deal with and infuriatingly repetitive. If you don't like copping heat, relent on the monotonous over-posting and try talking about something else once in a while.

No posts between July 11 (the night of the GC win) and last night. One post about the GC win, half about us and half about Rankine. One post after the Carlton win.

Maybe we should re-name this thread the @Elegt and @olisik circle jerk.

But they're not though. More than ever under Goodwin's reign, we're keeping forwards higher up the ground as outlets for when we get the ball back. Our mids are defensively running now, which is essential. No team leaves defence up to the back six alone. If we're losing energy defending, which we are, it's because we keep turning it over forcing us to have to manically re-set our zone and sprint back into defence. Too much running between the 50s and not enough keeping of the ball inside our forward half (which is what Goodwin has always wanted).

Our defensive zone is actually one of the things we've been getting right the last month. There's no defensive setup that can contain a top of the ladder side when you turn it over like we do. Longing for old-fashioned one-on-one footy isn't the answer. Concerted effort for our mids and forwards to improve their skills and work rate is.