Mazer Rackham

Thanks DL.

The guy's seriously behind the times. All his arguments were hashed, re-hashed, de-hashed, re-re-hashed, mashed, bashed and thrashed out three years ago.

That's exactly what they're trying to argue in the horse racing/cobalt case that's going on as we speak. "We didn't mean to do it, and it's not performance enhancing anyway." Both points and their rebuttal are old ground that I won't go over, but the racing people have banned cobalt because they suspect it may be performance enhancing. Just like AOD-9604 is on the WADA S0 list because it may be performance enhancing. If the racing people want to ban hay, then they can ban hay. If you the trainer don't like it, lobby to get the rule changed. But don't feed your horses hay in the meantime and argue that the rule is wrong. If the AFL ban oranges at half time, don't eat oranges. And if you do, don't front up to the tribunal arguing that the rule is wrong. Do that elsewhere, while not eating oranges.

Suggestion. On the page that lists all the threads ... eg "NEW LOOK FORUM: Please be patient 1 2 3 4 11>" or "Homesick Magpie 1 2 3 4" or "THE SAGA CONTINUES - WADA APPEALS 1 2 3 4 183>" ... ... it would be marvellous if the last few pages could be numbered as well as the first few. Example: "NEW LOOK FORUM : Please be patient 1 2 3 9 10 11>" or "THE SAGA CONTINUES - WADA APPEALS 1 2 3 181 182 183>" If I'm revisiting a thread after a few days to catch up on my reading, I'm more likely to want to go to the last two or three pages than the first two or three. I assume this applies to other Dlanders as well.

Yes, but they're nasty furriners and we're Aussies. What aren't you understanding about that? (Oh, except for Warnie, Stuart O'Grady, those Cronulla guys, that Olympic fencing guy, ...)

QUOTE Le Grand has a gut feel that CAS will find the players not guilty. “I’ve always felt it’s going to be very difficult for any tribunal to be satisfied that a banned substance was given to the players, mainly because there’s such an appalling lack of documentation and reliable evidence of what happened at Essendon in 2012, he said” “In some ways the ineptitude and the incompetence of Stephen Dank, Dean Robinson and others were up to at Essendon has become an alibi in the sense that it’s very difficult. END QUOTE So Chip found it appalling? Chip has been so appalled, he has not spared Essendon in order to hold them to account for their appalling lack of documentation. He has lashed them at every opport-- ... oh hang on. Turns out he thinks that Essendon are victims! Of the ineptitude and incompetence of Dank and others! In fact Chip has not spared any opportunity to spin this in Essendon's favour.

I've only just read the article in the Hun. My contempt for the hypocrisy and arbitrariness of the AFL is at an all time high. Classic AFL. Crush the soft target, but protect your self interest at all costs.

AHPRA are not the "doctor police". They are the "doctor watchdogpussycat".

Very few of us have any belief in the credibility and moral uprightness of the AFL. Nor on bigfooty or any other fan forum. Or people you meet at barbies and so on. I don't know, but I imagine there is a healthy degree of cynicism at AFL clubs around the thoughts and deeds of the AFL management. It is not a stretch to believe that the young men who nothing of anything except footy, coming into a club, are more inclined to "monkey see, monkey do" and copy their peers and elders at the club rather than put their faith and trust in the AFL. "Jobe says it's alright and he's the captain. Hell, Hirdy says it's alright and he's Hirdy!!!!" (Meanwhile some suit bored us to tears with some powerpoint thing that went for ages when I could have been playing Grand Theft Auto.)

When Keating said "I want to do you slowly", this is what he may have meant. Imagine having this s**t hanging over you every day for what, 3 years now. Although I think the EFC players knew something was up, and are complicit in the coverup, part of me feels sorry for them anyway.

The crux of the Goodwin problem is this. Assuming CAS wipe out the EFC players ... we have heard that WADA will then go after the "ringleaders", comprising Hird and who else? We don't know. It could be fitness staff like Dean Robinson. Or the good Doc. It could be desk jockeys like Paul Hamilton. It could be administrators like Robson. (Who do WADA want to make an example of, to give pause to other sporting clubs who figure they'll try the Essendon blueprint?) We don't know how much part Goodwin played in it, if he was a "ringleader", or if he was out the back cleaning the tent poles. He may fly under WADA's radar. But here is the big but: the casualness with which banned drugs were accepted on the premises. A squeaky clean organisation would have had no part in any banned substances. Would have ordered them out of the joint in case The Man came knocking. But here was Essendon with Hird, Goodwin, and others, not only not doing that, but using them themselves, no probs mate! That has to reflect poorly on anyone involved in that. Regardless of WADA, ASADA, ACC, ALP, MPLA, UDA, IRA or UK. With 2/3rds of F.A. to work with, posters here are extrapolating scenarios proving each way that Goodwin is safe/gone for all money, and bickering about whose made-up scenario is wrong, and how Superman Jackson will proactively save us from any fallout. Until show cause notices are issued, we have no way of knowing what will occur. But we can work out this much: EFC coaching staff will not be receiving pats on the head from WADA. It is not reasonable to say that any of them are "safe". Don't freak out yet, it may never happen. (Save your rage and panic for the right moment!) But don't be surprised if Goodwin is amongst those pursued by WADA in "the next wave". He is not safe.

Those dots are really needle marks

That would be good to hear. She could help out by introducing guests, interviewing guests, throwing to ad breaks, throwing to news breaks, taking calls, answering calls, running segments like "5 topics in a minute" or whatever it is .... and leave the rest to Andy "you know, you're absolutely right" Maher.

As far as drugs in sport, yes, they were responsible. But Essendon has just admitted to Worksafe that they failed to provide their players with a safe workplace. Leading those players to lose income, reputation, etc ... ugly ugly ugly. Every ambulance chasing lawyer in Victoria will be on realestate dot com this morning, scouting out their new holiday house.

Too bad for us. We can't let our own vested interest affect our desire for a just outcome. If the players did wrong, they deserve to go. If the support staff did wrong, they deserve to go. The fact that we will suffer should not alter our steadfastness. Otherwise we're on the road to corruption too.

The AFL tribunal applied the standard of "absolute certainty". Based on their ruling, the only way to satisfy them would be to go back in time and lab test the shipment of "TB4" sent by the Chinese lab to Charters. And then of course you would have to go back in time and lab test the "TB4" given to Alavi, because (of course) Charters may have swapped them for something else. And so on. Unless of course Dank, Charters, etc, enjoyed pointlessly risking their careers by supplying harmless vitamins labelled as TB4. Which if you're an AFL tribunal is probably a very realistic scenario.

Ha ha ha. I saw that a few days ago. I wonder why the guy didn't simply sign off with his EFC membership number.

If EFC had stuck to the "Evans plan" way back when, all that would have come to pass and Hird would probably be back coaching EFC right now as the returned hero who died on the cross and returned to absolve everyone of their sins.

Don't drink the whiskey! And don't put your thumb over the lens when you're photographing the list of spies.

I understand all that. And I am not advocating the end of the racing industry. But ... If there was no betting on horses, the racing industry would cease to exist. It is a vehicle for gambling.

Stephen J Peake is a lawyer????? Mind boggling. Did he get his education as an articled clerk to Dennis Denuto maybe? Or that guy on the Simpsons.

It's not a sport. It's a vehicle for gambling. The horse results should be in the comics section of the paper next to the Keno and Tattslotto results.

Interesting comment. Over the years the commentary has changed because of this. It used to be along the lines of "I think the Frankston Hoodlums will win this weekend because they have Smith back in the side, Jones is kicking goals and they're smarting from their upset loss last week." Now it is "I think the Frankston Hoodlums will win because the bookies have them at $1.30" The gambling has infested even the "expert analysis"!

That's why we were "not" done for tanking. Because of the flow-on implications with outside agencies. Looks like the AFL have their very own Brock McLean. I wonder if Cheney will come home to find his tyres slashed and his dog poisoned with a figure looking very much like Gil "The Dealmaker" furtively disappearing around a corner.

Leach in his first stint at SEN was a beacon of enlightenment shining out over a sea of meathead-ery. Hopefully that will continue. Harf is pretty good, more across the issues than he lets on. I think he is reluctant to express views as he doesn't want the show to be "me me me". The reverse Alan Jones. KB is just a stirrer and takes every opportunity to poke a stick. As rjay said, overdoes it and often screws up a good issue with his antics. Funnily enough I don't mind him. He's pretty funny but as stubborn as ten mules. Dr Turf I like for his acid wit. I don't know how he manages to put up with KB. Gaze is good for his insights into elite team sport, especially Olympics. But on other topics, might as well have Trout from Woodend or Snapper from Port Philip Bay. He has been good in straightening out (in his own mild way) the SEN fanbois who swallowed the EFC/Hird/ASADA propaganda wholesale. Andy "I vehemently agree with the last caller and nothing can possibly make me change my mind except the next caller" Maher is useless. He cannot understand a single thing unless he can compare it to some aspect of the AFL and even then one wonders. Drinking game. Take a swig every time he says "absolutely" and you'll be under the table before breakfast. Watson has been in the media for many years and shows "absolutely" no sign of it. Shows the same media skill and savvy that he did on his first day way back when as a weather girl. Although he sounds like a decent bloke, has a good sense of humour and could be very good company at a barbie. Ox on the other hand has grown with the years and improved out of sight. But the combination of him and Allen increases the meathead-ery exponentially. Allen is better on his own than in a team. Good move to separate them. But how about a bit more Stephen J. Peake? Reading the news or sports sentral perhaps?