Axis of Bob

If this isn't an argument for the need for cultural change towards umpires then I don't know what is. Also, the rules usually take a few years to filter down the leagues after the AFL introduces it (if at all). The cultural change starts with what is seen at the highest level, and after that it is the passage of time that allows it to filter through to the public.

Like I said .... why can't we do both?

I don't see how dissent is more difficult to define than abuse. If I wave my hands in exasperation at a decision then I am clearly indicating to everyone that can see that I disagree with the decision. Kids see that and the culture is perpetuated. Dissent and abuse are clearly different. But the fact that we now agree that umpire abuse is a no-no demonstrates that penalising this at AFL level (20 years ago) has had a positive impact. Doing the same for overt dissent at umpiring decisions will seem weird in the short term but in 20 years will seem normal. In fact the main thing we're likely to be upset about in such a situation is that a penalised player was undisciplined not that the umpire penalised it.

The umpires do, and they're voting with their feet.

Why is it an either/or? Why not do both? Why not improve umpiring as a profession whilst also reducing the level of disrespect shown towards umpires?

And junior umpires? Those that are struggling and developing their skills, sometimes making mistakes, or even just correct decisions that players disagree with? How do we deal with the respect for junior umpires (and those at lower levels that are clearly worse than AFL umpires) when you say that the only way we can achieve this is by these umpires simply being good umpires? I am heavily involved with lower level football and umpire respect is a massive issue. Without them we don't have a game ..... and we have far fewer nowadays than we have had in the past. How do we fix the issue of umpire numbers and the attractiveness of umpiring at all levels of football?

So the only way to create respect for umpires is to create perfect umpires that don't make mistakes? Where are these perfect umpires coming from? Because there aren't many umpires coming through the ranks. Stunningly it turns out that teenagers don't enjoy being abused and belittled in games when they are learning how to be umpires. How do you intend to encourage more people to take up umpiring in lower levels?

Interestingly we are having the same discussion now as when the AFL first started to crack down on the abuse of umpires in matches. They started paying 50m penalties for it more often and everybody lost their minds about it (for mostly similar reasons as are being given now). It's interesting that we are all now very comfortable that this behaviour is unacceptable some 20 years later.

You said that it wasn't needed to achieve the aim. I was hoping for clarification on that aim, since you believed the changes wouldn't achieve it. What do you believe would "eliminate the air of enmity that exists around the supporters and the umpires"?

What's the aim?

That is a ridiculous and reductive comment. Arms out is one action among a range of things that an umpire can penalise. Giving the umpire the finger or telling them they are a moron are also actions that can be penalised. The intent is the same and the message is the same .... accept the decision of the umpire and stop complaining. Just because you've spent your life complaining about umpiring doesn't mean that juniors have to follow in those footsteps.

The players will learn to quickly accept the decision and move on. That will accomplish the demonstration to the public that players should accept the decision of umpires. Kids who grow up knowing that complaining about umpiring is destructive (rather than 'passionate' or 'not robotic') will treat umpires differently than their parents and grandparents did/do. They'll think that complaining about umpires is something that old people people do because they 'don't get it'. The change will take time but it has to start somewhere.

The players will learn quickly. Cultural change across the game will happen more slowly but it has to start somewhere.

Players will learn. And then, much, much, much later, supporters finally will too. There is a culture of umpire abuse in AFL football at all levels. It's not only accepted but often encouraged as 'passion'. Umpires are scapegoats because there will always be bad decisions in 2 hours of chaos. It needs to stop. At lower levels of football many teams are having to sacrifice a player to umpire the game .... and those players nearly always say how much more difficult it is than they thought it would be. I suspect they also come out of it far more respectful of umpires.

Everything else, other than this phrase and the Day head injury, is irrelevant to the tribunal. If you choose to bump and the other player injures their head, it doesn't matter how much power it has, how unlucky it was or how unforeseeable the other events are, you are gone. He was unlucky, it had very little power and Day didn't do a good job of protecting himself. Ryder could consider himself unfortunate and he clearly didn't mean to hit him in the head (look at his reaction) .... but 2 weeks is what you'd expect. He grew up in a time where those bumps were part of the game and he's having to unlearn those habits. Hopefully the next generation will grow up with different habits.

If you elect to bump you are responsible for whatever head injury occurs to the person you bump. Ryder bump + Day concussion = weeks. It is only controversial if you don't know the rule. The players know the rule.

If someone can see a relationship between free kicks and results, then they're doing better than me.

Given how wonderful and brave Freo were, I was shocked to see that they had conceded the highest score ever in the AFLW. Maybe that's just because they were a cellar dweller playing at a hostile interstate ground. So brave

All the short hit ups look so easy, but that's because Harris is automatic as a long one on one target, so teams drop off to protect it. Harris has been an incredible structural addition this year.

We're dominating but this is excellent football.

Liam Jurrah. Some of the most fun I've ever had watching football.

When there are many players around the footy it is really difficult to score, especially if both teams are committed to defending. In the GF, this was the case for 3 quarters of football. We didn't start scoring in the third quarter because we started playing attacking football, we ground 3 tough goals that quarter (the Harmes pass to Fritsch from a wing stoppage, the Brayshaw mark after we turned over the Daniel kick, and the Petracca boundary goal). These weren't kamikaze attacking plays but rather just good tough goals from contests or turnovers. The reason we scored so heavily that quarter was because we kicked 4 more goals directly from centre bounces, which is the only time where there is space all over the field to attack. Then, in the last quarter, only one team was committed to defending (us) whilst the other was chasing some quick goals from behind .... that's why it became a bloodbath. Our style smothered teams and this allowed our best players to win us games. I'd say that any attempt to be more attacking this year will be more focused on making our forward line function better than it will be on sacrificing our ability to defend.

Redrafting isn't the answer. The AFLW has expanded too quickly which has impacted the quality of the teams. It wasn't a problem that couldn't be foreseen. It's like Cricket Australia killing the successful Big Bash by getting too greedy too quickly. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. They're just going to have to grit their teeth and wait for the next decade until it sorts itself out.

Every time a new term for an high level player or skill is coined, it slowly loses its meaning as its definition is softened more an more. It used to be 'excellent', 'brilliant' and 'star', until people were using those terms for every hack that played more than 15 games in a year. 'Elite' didn't exist as a rating 10 years ago, and it probably won't be used in 10 years' time as someone will popularise a term that is even higher than elite to define players that even surpass the level of .... *checks notes* .... Jack Scrimshaw.

I think that there might be a trend off the back of Jackson but I reckon that they are probably still going to be missing a trick with it. At that's because he isn't a hybrid, which is a combination of some elements of a ruck and midfielder, but rather he's two different players ... a fully functional AFL ruckman during the ruck contest and a fully functional AFL midfielder after the ruck contest. There's no sacrifice being made in fitting between the roles. There are two parts to Jackson's game in the ruck, and I think there's a danger in looking at one of them in isolation. Jackson has genuine midfielder athleticism and movement, rather than just being 'really good for a ruckman' (like Cox, Grundy, Fraser, Kreuzer etc). This is the bit that everyone sees because it is special and we haven't really seen this except for Goodes when he rucked. Teams have tried this before and it hasn't really worked out well for them (especially since the third man up rule). Players like Tim English have had good games but get destroyed against strong, decent opposition because of their lack of competitiveness in the ruck contest, which brings major issues. The lesson to learn is that it's OK to lose the ruck, but you can't get smashed. Teams default back to strong, competitive (and cheap) battering rams rather than pseudo midfielders because of it. Jackson is still a genuine ruckman but he plays the ruck taps very differently, which is difficult to emulate. He takes away the natural advantage of his opponent (ie, his physical size and strength) by dodging and weaving, but being big enough still to tap the ball once he dances his way to good position. He jumps quickly, not requiring a run up or balance step, letting him get position on his opponent and disrupting him. The end result is that his style is so awkward and disruptive that, even for a big strong opponent, he's nearly impossible to dominate in ruck contests. I think there will be a trend towards trying to find a Jackson type ruck, and those efforts will likely see people select tall midfielders to play ruck or athletic rucks to play around the ground. But they will all be making sacrifices in one of their roles, either they will be passable midfielders that are big enough to play some ruck time (eg. taller versions of Grigg) or slightly underwhelming rucks that are athletic enough to win more ball around the ground (eg, English). It's a wild goose chase because Jackson is special and different .... it's like everybody trying to pick up the 'next Buddy' or 'next Judd'. You can't because they're unique players. People weren't leaving Chris Judd undrafted in the past because they didn't like his style combining line breaking speed and contested possession, it's just that there generally aren't any Chris Judd's around to draft! We're just lucky that, when we had pick 3, there was a Luke Jackson around for us to draft.