John Demonic

You want our club to be captained by clingy Tex Walker?

And with that we've shown freo our hand. We need the cap space now to get gaff, so will take slight unders for hogan just to get it done to focus on the deal ie we dont want to play hard ball and keep Hogan for 1 year. I wont be suprised if the club considers Gaff and May alone a win. If we get anything above those 2 ie another first round pick, id be very suprised. Additional Q. What if WCE match? We would have to give something correct? Wont it be the freo trade leftovers after a May pick up?

I reckon youre partially correct. We hold the whip, but things seem to have now progressed towards there being plenty at stake for us too to get a trade done easily. If freo catch wind that we're waiting on it to acquire Gaff& May, then its feasible that we will settle for pick 5 and 9 or 10. They have the time issue to call a bluff and we have a significant deal on the cards that will mean we have zero interest in keeping him a year and need the cap relief.

Pretty much why we drafted Petty. Striking while the iron is hot on a player who we assessed as much better than the pick we got him with. He either develops in a few years into a Lever who stays in our back 6, or becomes a tradeable asset that nets us some high picks. But I digress. The point is to take an opportunity that presents as it might not come again.

I think people are confusing frosts main assett (burst of speed) as anything more than icing on a cake for a kpd. May is a much more rounded defender, and OMAC is or will be too on a developmental curve. We can recruit speed elsewhere with our half back flanks/wings

Its pronounced collar jazz knee

Why did Hawthorn recruit Frawley? He'd done neither. He was recruited on his body of work as a defender and ended up being crucial to their finals campaign to win a premiership. and then you've got Lynden Dunn who would be a walk up start to take Kennedy if he was fit for a grand final No defender for a bottom team gets the opportunity to prove themselves until their team gets back to finals. Doesn't mean they're not capable of thriving. It's a calculated risk you take.

Our forward line becomes The Farm

No trades will happen for any clubs if that is the new standard, it's obviously an anomaly born of GCS desperation to get a home town boy home.

Journos don't have time to track stats it seems. Maybe these are the unintended consequences of not nipping injuries in the bud. We don't persist two or three weeks with Hogan limited to underperforming in the goalsquare, get him into surgery early. He comes back for the last three games like Viney. Sets the world on fire and these trade under scenario's don't get proposed. Recency bias in action I think now, as it's half a season since he dominated. You can bet Freo and our club know his value. And we hold the cards. Best to avoid Freo fans in discussing trade though, they'll pretend he's just a good player.

Cryptic. Is it wingard? He's a great snapper from 30 on a sharp angle

Someone sms red nob that Jesse is tracking better than Josh Kennedy at same age ffs

Were you responding to me about WC/Hogan? The only premise is that they manage to get Gaff to us through some creative accounting, we make sure they get Hogan, (win/win) and then we use everything they can give us for Hogan in order to get Steven May and a leftover draft pick. Gaff & May is a win to me.

Why not a Jesse Hogan trade to West Coast? Why is the thread exclusive to Freo? I reckon Jesse would take 200K unders to go to a successful club and JK is not getting any younger. Just spitballing and i'll confess my complete ignorance to trade discussion, so please correct any glaring errors. West Coast gain 800K in their cap from Gaff and the salary 350-400k? from Lycett combined leaving. Could it be a situation where they agree to not match Gaff, they pay a frontloaded part of Gaff's salary to ensure he ends up in Demon colours and our cap is not compromised, say 150k per year off a 1million per year 5 year contract. They get Hogan on a backloaded contract and the compensation pick from the AFL for Gaff (if any?) and we get their 2018 1st Pick + 2nd (or player instead) and 2019 first round pick. We then give pick 17, a second round pick and Frost and potentially Tyson to Gold Coast for S. May. We get Gaff, May & 2019 WCE first round pick. Obviously not an exact trade would go down, but something complex that could make it happen. West Coast make a godfather offer (what they have) to get Hogan, GCS accept unders so long as they get players and picks. I await ridicule!

He's an immoveable nugget like mcGovern, it's more about what you have to get around than out reach. But if you're talking about the rare phenomena of 211cm forwards, you play your ruck or 2nd ruck loose deep or have a high leaping intercept like Lever and your kpb applying skillful body positioning.

Agree with MAY acquisition. But what about offering pick 6 for dylan shiel and a late 2nd or mid range pick back and JT works his magic? Satisfies our immediate outside mid need. Do we really want to wait on the development curve of a pick 6 kid? Kelly, unless he's agreed in principle, then it's too much of a Longshot to plan around.

Lycett / Vardy effect more like it - Dividing the field into two halves for each. I think we've been enamored by Gawns defensive work the most but also realise we've been robbed of fwd Gawn at same time. I think expectations of repeat Cox performances would be unrealistic on Preuss or Gawn Goodwin might be thinking of building the most fortress like defence possible next year with potential s. may acquisition and Gawn dropping back. It would explain the reticence to play Frost until late, no real trust. Really wants to shake up and improve our D after witnessing it [censored] the bed for 2 years

I just hope we get Nth twice and he slaughters Majak & Goldfish. +3 on the reverse hoodoo ?

The only answer is that we've been tracking him for a long time I reckon. As have some of us fans with the S May discussion thread on here for 2 years. He was a private school boy in Melbourne, so has his roots here. Probably with some of our players and staff.

The Big Prussian! We've come full circle.

"Will be available" is such a far off Longshot. If gaff nominates us, we make it happen. Simple as that. I'm a believer in seizing the moment in regards to quality. It's why our FD took Petty in the draft. We didn't need a developing kPD, but they couldn't believe Petty slid to our draft pick so we had to seize the opportunity. In this case we do actually need gaff.

Preuss is an imposing figure, he can more than hold his own. Therefore we should be emboldened by Mason cox's performance in having confidence that one of our duo can be a strong marking forward for 70-80% game time. Lever and May allow Gawn to rest forward reliably instead of in defence too. Hogan, VDB, petracca given more time in middle as bulls as Weed TMAC & Preuss is enough. Then we alternate a new small forward in there with spargo, hannan and melk.

One POV is that if quality nominates you, it's an advantageous occurrence, that is not guaranteed to happen all the time. So you shift the magnets and make a trade happen, even if you don't think it's a critical need. It's still an upgrade for locking down a fwd imo. Trade Frost if need be. HBF/Hunt provides dash, its not an important KPD assett, it's icing.

You left out our acquisition of Andy Brayshaw with that pick 6* perhaps?

Simpson and co backed gaff to develop that side of his game. Goodwin can do the same with one of our players or bring an outside elite runner in and condition them into becoming a high pressure tough nut that can get their own footy.