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Taberner is better insurance as a forward for an injury to tmac or weid. He and preuss could fight over the 3rd tall/relief ruck spot. Although i think an outside runner in brad hill or mid in brayshaw is a far superior choice

Spoke to a hawk supporter that thinks B Lake is the only reason they won all premierships. The missing link. Also his forced retirement the reason why they didnt win a 4th. Just goes to show how important one recruit can be for team balance

Or adam 'double as many bounces as the nearest player in 2018' saad. Handy wingman to keep the jetta/ryan/rioli space zoned off a fortnight ago

Craig cameron is a new list manager though. He probably wont be repeating the greatest hits trades of yesteryear.

I said we CAN use it on Kelly, not that WE WILL. We can also use it on ANY ELITE STAR this year or next ie its an assett. Far out, reading comprehension.

We can use Freo 2019 first round pick when GWS match our offer for josh kelly. Think in terms of the pick as a tradeable assett ie think bigger. We still challenge for a flag next year. 2020 with Kelly, we challenge for a dynasty

You think after this [censored] show that freo, Gcs & Melb will keep their players? Not a chance for me. Freo are trying to lowball us, yes. I think theyll be asking for brisbanes pick 22 which they'll give to us with Pick 4. I think we'll demand Freos 2019 2nd round pick speculatively 24 again. So 4, 22, 24. Thats 4 & 8 in points value. I just dont think 4 and 5 will happen. Its somewhere in between.

Freo wontt accept pick 4 for Neale. Looks like theyre getting themselves and us more. Its a positive step imo. Dont panic

I recall a pie fan saying petracca wasnt worth much and looking up his stats to compare. Tracc was on the same development curve as jordan de goey until late this year minus a good goal avg. Its just that JDG has stepped up a gear this season and in finals due to his pace and ability to nail his opportunities in front of goal. Petracca otherwise is pretty elite for his age, he'll only get better. He's judged pretty harshly due to his draft number and because he's a hybrid mid/fwd which will take time to really find his niche . He's a different beast to gus and doesnt have it so easily with the gawn taps like gus does.

I dunno if thats a dig at me, but seeing a 5min reel and deciding rankine for hogan by trading up, is about as knee jerk as it gets.

Wouldve thought gcs are sick of drafting x factor players and having them leave or become flaky. Would be building the team like Roos did. A spine and inside tough nuts

You should probably track down the full ground full match footage and see his off ball behaviours before selling the farm. Highlight reels are just that.

The only realistic payback is for Goody to 'accidentally' bump into Gresham or Billings while on holiday and forge a good friendship between now and the 2019 trade period ! Richo's replacement will be met with a similar trade or psd ultimatum

I'm in a heightened state of emotional gullibility today with my dearest full forward touring other clubs facilities. Give me a break!

What's the final siren?

I thought that too, but the tone of today seemed more stand offish. I still expect them to ask for more than that. Whether it's an extra pick in the 20-30 mark I don't know. Look at the Gibbs trade. 10 & 17 for Gibbs and a 2nd and 3rd coming back. Could be something comparable.

Why would GCS not hold onto May and keep a probable 2019 compo Pick 3? We'll need to offer a little more. Lots of pick swapping to go under the bridge.

Well the thing with Dangerfield was that im pretty sure they agreed to a good faith trade that was outside the RFA/FA system. I'm not sure how applicable it was, but I think that's where i was aiming the gaff/hogan thing. Just a gentlemans agreement to sort out for a way to get him over here. I was thinking he'd take 1.05mil, to play with a closer team to a premiership, but maybe its fanciful.

You're correct, This idea is operating under the assumption that Gaff will change his mind and pick the Dees out of a sense of duty to get Hogan to WCE. We're so far off from that happening, but stranger things have happened. Anyway, happy to put this idea to rest and let it play out.

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Said this to a WCE fan that thinks Gaff for Hogan is fair. "If we don't want to give you Hogan, then you're left with whatever you get for Gaff from the NM trade either a compo pick, or what Nm can trade you if you match. Therefore our bargaining chip is that all we have to do is give you what NM can comparatively give you. I think Hogan satisfies that end already. Now you need to give us a better offer than what Freo will have to give, to make us want to give you Hogan. We're asking two top 10 picks. Gaff may be a high quality player, but as an RFA he doesn't really come with that much value as you're not exactly going to get that much from NM if you match. So as we're ontrading a top 10 pick for Steven May in the Freo deal. What we need are picks from you that can get us Steven May. If we get Gaff + May then that beats Freo's Pick 10 & S. May. That will make us want to come on board and get Hogan to WCE. Free agency sucks for the clubs, but thats what the players association won."

Ill confess my ignorance on the matter of picks and clubs salary caps. Im just curious if WCE's admission of interest in Hogan can shift the landscape today and get us Gaff somehow. Perhaps its too fanciful.

Is it not possible that they pay 150-200k per year and allow us to match the NM Gaff offer, we give Hogan for their pick 20 & 21? Gaff just needs convincing to join us on our 1mil per year offer (1.2m after subsidy) What are the drawbacks that im failing to see here? Seems a win win. Matching NM and getting their pick 10 doesnt seem that great comparatively

I thought they needed 1.2mill xap space to match? Thats why i thought it served their interest to pay some of gaffs salary at MFC in exchange for us accepting their pick 20 & 2 for Hogan

On his spud gun. Pick 20 & 21 !! No, but seriously, convince gaff to join us and pay some of his salary to reach NM's figure and then we'll talk picks for Hogan, Simmo