John Demonic

Tyson had a disappointing year. We're giving him license to have another one or two? I have faith that he will return to his 2014 form, but if he doesn't? If Salem doesn't get a clear run at it and solidfy his spot in the team over the next two years? I'm just running off the Toumpas precedent here - 3 years to show something more than some patchy form.

Are Salem/Tyson in the same position as Toumpas in regards to next years upcoming output? I mean, touch wood but if they're free of injury but don't step up and fill their role and position with some consistent football, they may need to be re-considered?

So you don't want a last day trade of Lamumba + 2nd round for Varcoe? /s

The risk with Toumpas is not only that he won't come good, but that he will turn the ball over in a few crucial matches and quell their momentum and lose them a game or two ruling out any serious challenge for top 4 spot, if Port actually hit their stride next year. Really needs to fix his kicking efficiency and for that reason I want to see him traded.

That sounds almost as quaint a town and as wonderful a coastal community as Scarborough, WA. Home to the Hogan family dynasty

I know a Josh walker thread is not a place for a deep football evolution discussion, but if Hawthorn are THE model then the resting FF/Ruck would be an actual Ruckman and the Dawes/Pederson sized player would be retired in favor of a Gunston style player. Hogan is still our Roughhead, an agile moving powerful forward but I think our forward line would need to find a more versatile athletic and accurate kicking CHF and focus on drafting great midfielders and composed skilfull defenders.

Absolute steal and I think many clubs would be kicking themselves over a missed opportunity if that was the price.

It's been reported that the club has ordered Jake to live in Jacks spare room as a mentor and they are to spend 3 nights a week doing some wrestling sessions in the basement as part of the 400k over 4 year deal. Welcome to our coaching staff Jakey, let's hope the ferocity rubs off

I bet they had this deal stitched up a year ago and the recent bali meeting was a cover. You don't just meet a coach half way through trade week and agree to go to their club. Going on the actions of the manager and player all year it has all the hallmarks.

Having Roos & Buckley on AFL 360 this Monday night could finally be a whole lot more interesting and relevant if they had a trade special on. cut the atmosphere with a knife. Aside from queens bday they were a bore all year.

Viney won't be lonely in the maniaclub anymore.

Did the bogan call it a 'girly' trade?

Two years of criticism of the bombers fans ethics in defending the program because of their bias and now that we've got a bomber, it might be better if they get off? Seems hypocritical.

Maybe they've also rented him out a room with Watts and ordered him to mentor jacky with a few wrestling and boxing sessions on the sofa every week.

We should have played Howe as FF for two winnable games mid-year, directed all forward entries to him.. given him a bag of 8 goals and then traded him at a fat price ala Jake Carlisle Super Swingman

The dons may as well give up on any chance of a premiership in 20 years and just aim to finish ahead of St Kilda for a decade or two, so they should take the deal and do their best to compete with St Kilda, fatten up hawthorn for another 10 years of premierships.

My hobby is to scour the places where people without jobs and hobbys lurk and tell them they need a job and a hobby. I just wish I was being payed for my public service.

It's my opinion that if you abbreviate it to PC, you're clearly talking about political correctness too often. it's not as if anybody abbreviates Racist Bogan to RB. Got better things to do.

Can he take a lie detector test for us: Do you harbor any intention to return to your home town of Geelong to be close to mummy and daddy when your contract expires ? Has the thought "gee i'd at least like to have a few years back home before i finish?" ever crossed your mind?

I'm all for a bit of banter, but maybe if these types of antagonistic 'filths' attitudes weren't present, things would get done. Essendon are notorious as well for hating every one else hence their shitty stagnant screw-everyone-over trade attitude. I know i'm being knit picky but you can't expect other teams to be amicable if we are also harboring a 'whats in it for us' and nobody else Abbott approach. And largely Roos doesn't seem to be that way, seems to get things done with communication and compromise.

Reminds me of Ben Donkey Holland, a somewhat useful addition. Josh Walker would be preferable to Chris Dawes wouldn't he?

This is the kind of mature big bodied grunt i was talking about yesterday and if its for 2 solid years it could be a big win. Is he a bigger risk than an unproven younger small bodied player in Kennedy who has no guarentee he will not be another toumpas that can't handle the heat of stronger players applying pressure ?

Let's not forget we have Jones & Vince to bring in this new generation - They're A graders in their importance on and off the field to us. Imagine if we didn't have them.

I think Roos has gone beyond the stage of giving opportunities to players who repeatedly create momentum crushing turnovers. I'm really glad we're getting rid of Toumpas. Development potentiality doesn't supercede the liability of mistakes. We're now realising that having patience with players who have potential is just as dangerous as your vfl standard players who are filling in the gaps and waiting to be replaced.