John Demonic

"Told to stay away" Interesting turn of phrase. Something feels off about this whole Gaff scenario. I know he's going through a lot, but to be completely shattered as your teammates win a premiership seemed pretty self absorbed. Couldnt put the chin up and put on a smile and be happy for teammates like nic nat? I know im playing the DL cliche of disliking those who turn us down, but Gaff has seemed like a very odd and brittle indecisive person this past week.

It doesnt even serve the club to talk him down though. Maybe if we let these false observations fester, a nuffie like Sticks Kernahan will pressure his list manager to pick him up with a high pick. One can dream..

My source says Hogan cant make his mind up, so has agreed to a joint custody arrangment for 5 years. Round 1-14 at Freo for 400K. Round 15-GF at Melbourne for 500k

Maybe we can recruit Steele Sidebottom then for a late pick!

Do we tell Gaff to bugger off as Jesse's cap space is unavailable for 1 more year too?

I mean, with the pick 50'ish we get with Kent. If list space available and we have not recruited any small forwards

I wonder if we can get Lonie with pick 50ish, or a swap. Seems out of favour with Richo but showed glimpses of his scintillating crumbing when played.

I can see freo fans using this to argue unders on Jesse, like the dolts last year who thought it justified us paying unders for (or not recruiting) Lever

Tyson & Kent for Jack Billings.

Yeah, confident in the club to acquire what it needs or can get done, they have the big picture in mind. I just think DL'ers expecting a a first round picks and elite recruits like Gaff & May might be a little disappointed. Priority might be having the cap space and picks to get both recruits, rather than acquiring what people think is fair for Hogan.

Bumping my Q: If we need Hogans salary off the books because an elite mid nominates us, then we dont have all the leverage with Freo as we dont want to hold hogan for a year, correct? We want the trade done quickly so long as it satisfies in providing the picks we can use on other trades. I wouldnt expect the club to pursue overs, only what it needs which may include unders to get it done, only so we can make sure the S.May + elite mid deals happen at a minimum. Thoughts?

You want our club to be captained by clingy Tex Walker?

And with that we've shown freo our hand. We need the cap space now to get gaff, so will take slight unders for hogan just to get it done to focus on the deal ie we dont want to play hard ball and keep Hogan for 1 year. I wont be suprised if the club considers Gaff and May alone a win. If we get anything above those 2 ie another first round pick, id be very suprised. Additional Q. What if WCE match? We would have to give something correct? Wont it be the freo trade leftovers after a May pick up?

I reckon youre partially correct. We hold the whip, but things seem to have now progressed towards there being plenty at stake for us too to get a trade done easily. If freo catch wind that we're waiting on it to acquire Gaff& May, then its feasible that we will settle for pick 5 and 9 or 10. They have the time issue to call a bluff and we have a significant deal on the cards that will mean we have zero interest in keeping him a year and need the cap relief.

Pretty much why we drafted Petty. Striking while the iron is hot on a player who we assessed as much better than the pick we got him with. He either develops in a few years into a Lever who stays in our back 6, or becomes a tradeable asset that nets us some high picks. But I digress. The point is to take an opportunity that presents as it might not come again.

I think people are confusing frosts main assett (burst of speed) as anything more than icing on a cake for a kpd. May is a much more rounded defender, and OMAC is or will be too on a developmental curve. We can recruit speed elsewhere with our half back flanks/wings

Its pronounced collar jazz knee

Why did Hawthorn recruit Frawley? He'd done neither. He was recruited on his body of work as a defender and ended up being crucial to their finals campaign to win a premiership. and then you've got Lynden Dunn who would be a walk up start to take Kennedy if he was fit for a grand final No defender for a bottom team gets the opportunity to prove themselves until their team gets back to finals. Doesn't mean they're not capable of thriving. It's a calculated risk you take.

Our forward line becomes The Farm

No trades will happen for any clubs if that is the new standard, it's obviously an anomaly born of GCS desperation to get a home town boy home.

Journos don't have time to track stats it seems. Maybe these are the unintended consequences of not nipping injuries in the bud. We don't persist two or three weeks with Hogan limited to underperforming in the goalsquare, get him into surgery early. He comes back for the last three games like Viney. Sets the world on fire and these trade under scenario's don't get proposed. Recency bias in action I think now, as it's half a season since he dominated. You can bet Freo and our club know his value. And we hold the cards. Best to avoid Freo fans in discussing trade though, they'll pretend he's just a good player.

Cryptic. Is it wingard? He's a great snapper from 30 on a sharp angle

Someone sms red nob that Jesse is tracking better than Josh Kennedy at same age ffs

Cap space would be a bit of an issue i'd assume. But i'm no accountant

Were you responding to me about WC/Hogan? The only premise is that they manage to get Gaff to us through some creative accounting, we make sure they get Hogan, (win/win) and then we use everything they can give us for Hogan in order to get Steven May and a leftover draft pick. Gaff & May is a win to me.