John Demonic

I recall a pie fan saying petracca wasnt worth much and looking up his stats to compare. Tracc was on the same development curve as jordan de goey until late this year minus a good goal avg. Its just that JDG has stepped up a gear this season and in finals due to his pace and ability to nail his opportunities in front of goal. Petracca otherwise is pretty elite for his age, he'll only get better. He's judged pretty harshly due to his draft number and because he's a hybrid mid/fwd which will take time to really find his niche . He's a different beast to gus and doesnt have it so easily with the gawn taps like gus does.

I dunno if thats a dig at me, but seeing a 5min reel and deciding rankine for hogan by trading up, is about as knee jerk as it gets.

Wouldve thought gcs are sick of drafting x factor players and having them leave or become flaky. Would be building the team like Roos did. A spine and inside tough nuts

You should probably track down the full ground full match footage and see his off ball behaviours before selling the farm. Highlight reels are just that.

The only realistic payback is for Goody to 'accidentally' bump into Gresham or Billings while on holiday and forge a good friendship between now and the 2019 trade period ! Richo's replacement will be met with a similar trade or psd ultimatum

I'm in a heightened state of emotional gullibility today with my dearest full forward touring other clubs facilities. Give me a break!

What's the final siren?

I thought that too, but the tone of today seemed more stand offish. I still expect them to ask for more than that. Whether it's an extra pick in the 20-30 mark I don't know. Look at the Gibbs trade. 10 & 17 for Gibbs and a 2nd and 3rd coming back. Could be something comparable.

Why would GCS not hold onto May and keep a probable 2019 compo Pick 3? We'll need to offer a little more. Lots of pick swapping to go under the bridge.

Well the thing with Dangerfield was that im pretty sure they agreed to a good faith trade that was outside the RFA/FA system. I'm not sure how applicable it was, but I think that's where i was aiming the gaff/hogan thing. Just a gentlemans agreement to sort out for a way to get him over here. I was thinking he'd take 1.05mil, to play with a closer team to a premiership, but maybe its fanciful.

You're correct, This idea is operating under the assumption that Gaff will change his mind and pick the Dees out of a sense of duty to get Hogan to WCE. We're so far off from that happening, but stranger things have happened. Anyway, happy to put this idea to rest and let it play out.

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Said this to a WCE fan that thinks Gaff for Hogan is fair. "If we don't want to give you Hogan, then you're left with whatever you get for Gaff from the NM trade either a compo pick, or what Nm can trade you if you match. Therefore our bargaining chip is that all we have to do is give you what NM can comparatively give you. I think Hogan satisfies that end already. Now you need to give us a better offer than what Freo will have to give, to make us want to give you Hogan. We're asking two top 10 picks. Gaff may be a high quality player, but as an RFA he doesn't really come with that much value as you're not exactly going to get that much from NM if you match. So as we're ontrading a top 10 pick for Steven May in the Freo deal. What we need are picks from you that can get us Steven May. If we get Gaff + May then that beats Freo's Pick 10 & S. May. That will make us want to come on board and get Hogan to WCE. Free agency sucks for the clubs, but thats what the players association won."

Ill confess my ignorance on the matter of picks and clubs salary caps. Im just curious if WCE's admission of interest in Hogan can shift the landscape today and get us Gaff somehow. Perhaps its too fanciful.

Is it not possible that they pay 150-200k per year and allow us to match the NM Gaff offer, we give Hogan for their pick 20 & 21? Gaff just needs convincing to join us on our 1mil per year offer (1.2m after subsidy) What are the drawbacks that im failing to see here? Seems a win win. Matching NM and getting their pick 10 doesnt seem that great comparatively

I thought they needed 1.2mill xap space to match? Thats why i thought it served their interest to pay some of gaffs salary at MFC in exchange for us accepting their pick 20 & 2 for Hogan

On his spud gun. Pick 20 & 21 !! No, but seriously, convince gaff to join us and pay some of his salary to reach NM's figure and then we'll talk picks for Hogan, Simmo

Thats the most gumption Richo has ever displayed.

Im being followed Moonshadow

Well yeah thats the modus operandi, but i do think there is an underlying bias towards wanting big fan base vic clubs v interstate clubs contending every year. For a team thats already a contender (without the player theyre trading) to get two top 10 picks, well it might be unpalletable for media commentators who are fans of a few of these clubs. As the poster said above, i just get the feeling they're trying to shape the narrative and soften us up for the "briLliaNt TraDe IdEa" theyve (McCLure) come up with Bit of an illumaniti hot take, but so be it.

One fella said it earlier on forum, theyre subconsciously trying to shape the narrative and keep a smaller vic club and prelim team from getting two 1st round picks and becoming a force.

Hilariously a big WA paper has conveniently referenced an obscure data analytic footy website (HPN) to evaluate Hogan as pick 8-10 https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl-trades/afl-trades-2018-what-is-jesse-hogan-actually-worth-ng-b88979434z Although saying that wont get done is accurate. They've suggested the likelihood is: "If Melbourne are stuck on receiving two first-rounders, the other option would be for the Dockers to trade a future pick and bank on improving or perhaps swap an early pick this year for two late first-rounders, staying in the draft and satisfying the Dees at the same time."

Are we all pretending this wasnt a trade based on nothing more than GCS needing players who want to be there? Im all for demanding more than pick 4, but the inflated value of Weller shouldnt be the new value guide for the AFL because Nek minnit gcs want more than pick 5 for May

I wouldve asked for Taberner, but i think Preuss negates the need for a third forward. I think Brayshaw would be a fantastic get, i believe disposal out of defence is the bigger determiner of spread and speed on the wing, and our small forwards can provide up ground coverage. May, Omac, Lever, Hibb, Salem, KK. We would be elite. So we could then have a player of Brayshaws & Fritsch class and footy iq on the wing, with a small time in middle for development We would obviously have to give back a pick i think. 2nd round ?