joeboy

Holland is on our list and should be picked on merit , not just because a young guy is or is not ready to play seniors . He was our best player for Sandy on the weekend and therefore deserves to be played , end of discussion .

Ok I may have been a little rough with Petterd , but Weetra and Garland showed little today or in the pre season games to suggest they are worth persevering with at this stage .

Bartam , Carroll , Holland Bell , Rivers , Wheatley Moloney , McLean , Sylvia Green , Newton , Davey Dunn , Neitz , Bruce Johnson , Jones, McDonald Robertson (one last chance ) , Morton , White( one last chance ) , Buckley Out : Weetra , Garland , Petterd ,Miller ,Yze In : Bartram , Holland , Rivers , Sylvia , Dunn

Bell - was hardly sighted Bruce - played with discomfort Buckley - seemed completely overawed Carroll - played under duress Davey - career worst performance Garland - a year away Green - often found floundering Johnson - a commendable effort Jones - team's bravest performer McDonald - age has wearied McLean - never stopped trying Miller - has learnt nothing Moloney - some valuable involvement Morton - oh so raw Neitz - tried to inspire Newton - one trick pony Petterd - was rarely sighted Robertson - fat and disinterested Weetra - slow and unsure Wheatley - needed the run White - needn't have played Yze - was probably playing

Actually one of my stores is in Fountain Gate Shopping Centre , Narre Warren , which is only 10 minutes from 'stinkhole ' Cranbourne , and believe it or not many of my customers actually admit to supporting The Dees , including the mother of Nathan Jones .

Why don't you actually stick to the topic "demon 3165 "? My original comments about pre game attitude and approach are logical and relevent , unlike your ridiculously vague and pointless asides where you wax lyrically about Foxtel and farm animals whilst ' playing the man rather than chasing the ball '

Quite obviously it's not the simple 'answer to our problems ' and quite obviously you've never played any decent level of competitive sport because if you had you would understand the concepts of application and attitude and how they are interwoven directly with match performance.

I watched with interest how our onballers and ruckmen prepared themselves prior to the game yesterday, then noted how much more professionally their Roos' opponents handled the same exercises . Whilst the opposition performed their manouvers with finesse , aggression , and speed , ours were lethargic , carefree , careless , and moving at a casual pace . This attitude in pre-match work has been prevalent for years now and reflects badly on not just the players but also the coaches who allow such ambivalence to creep in to our players' demeanors . The old expression - 'you play as you train' , is as relevant now as ever , and in Melbourne's case , even moreso .

Yes . On yesterday's showing , following on from a dismal 2007 , there is no justification for retaining Neitz , White , and Yze !

I think you'll find that Edwards can't read .

His calf and knee were bandaged , but it was probably his hamstring

Buckley - some nice touches ; certainly a positive Jones - performed as expected McLean - lacked customary assuredness , and tried the hard alternatives rather than the simple Bate - injured before half time but was useful until then Miller - tried , but probably failed Frawley - on today's performance there is little to enthuse over Neitz - has become an embarrassment and a liability , whilst probably still injured P. Johnson - more impressive and less one dimensional than White Sylvia - masterful at times ; not often enough Yze - shocking disposal ; enthusiastic but not as a defender Petterd - no doubting his application and courage ; will be a player C . Johnson - probably on the field Green - same old ,same old Garland - skinny ,and a year away from being a contender Bell - terrific 4 quarter effort Moloney - terrific 4 quarter effort McDonald - plenty of possessions ; few effective Robertson - looks fat and performed few one percenters until the game was nearly over Weetra - why do we get the only slow indigenous player in the league ? Newton - needs the responsibility of full forward ; has the tricks but does he have the desire ? White - totally one dimensional and destroyed in the ruck. Should not be our first ruck man selectec Davey - brilliant early , but seemed to lose interest ( or hopefully told to ) Wonaeamirri - needs to lose heaps of weight , but could be a player . Carroll - was useful , though overpowered because of an undersized backline

From the horse's mouth - Bartram will be playing this weekend

Brad Hodge played reserve grade for us when there was a reserve competition.

Neil Mitchell ( 3AW ), Mike Sheahan ( HeraldSun ), Derryn Hinch (3 AW -may have renounced his support , though ), Denis Commetti ( CH 7 ),

I thought a significantly positive aspect of the game was Bailey's willingness to experiment , whether by choice or necessity ( and not necessarily successfully ) - at one stage I saw White and Robbo lined up on a wing at the centre bounce , and , on a few occasions , all 4 ruckmen on the field at one time to try to create mismatches. This seems to be totally opposite to Daniher , who frustrated us all with his unwillingness to experiment until it was too late.

Bartarm- injuries behind him Bate - key forward target Bell - a potent defender Bode - a regular game Bruce - returning to elite Buckley - buffness reflecting improvement Carroll - vital key defender Cheney - not enough known Davey - excitement machine again Dunn - ready to arrive Frawley - must perform immediately Garland - needs to deliver Green - silence the doubters Grimes - not enough known Holland - keep plugging holes Jamar- certainly last opportunity C. Johnson - grab his chances P. Johnson - viable marking forward Jones - application positively rewarded Maric - accuracy to impress Martin - not enough known McDonald - more of same McLean - a Brownlow favourite McNamara - not enough known Meeson- fitness reflects ability Miller - coach inspired rejuvenation Moloney - application finally rewarded Morton - to arrive immediately Neitz - another herculaean effort Newton - great white hope Petterd - deserves instant rewards Rivers - most important return Robertson - perform without frustrating Sylvia - hype finally vindicated Warnock - not another Ferguson Weetra - attitude reflecting improvement Wheatley - an important cog Whelan - deserves some luck White - 5 years younger Yze - fresh positive attitude

Speaking of "....the most arrogant [censored] around " , I wonder if Ian Johnson's name is being mooted again to head the club he loves .

By all acounts Ooze has been one of the stand outs of pre season training , and if his comments on SEN this afternoon are anything to go by , then he could be making many of his critics eat their words . He spoke very eloquently about his desire to make a significant contribution to the team , wherever DB chose to play him ( though he professed a preference to playing forward ). A solid , and uninterrupted pre season , coupled with the prospect of imminent retirement ,have , according to the man himself , opened his eyes to the possibilities of being able to recapture his outstanding form of years gone by , and he is plainly excited about the prospects of playing alongside a large number of talented young recruits .

Cynically speaking - TJ

Hey Red , you've been a very angry boy lately , but I share your sentiments . Unfortunately we're all too insignificant to make a difference so lighten up - take a holiday , watch the races - you'll feel better and life will have more meaning.

Yes , some excellent ideas . What about basing these ideas around a slogan such as : WE'RE ALL DEMONS AND YOU'RE GOING TO HELL !

Mazel Tov

I'm not denying he's a great CEO , I'm just stating the RUMOUR doing the rounds that his departure may be imminent!

A suggestion doing the rounds is that our venerable leader Paul Gardiner is to voluntarily offer his resignation later this week .