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Garlett is always going to play better at AFL level than VFL. If you're waiting for him to tear up games at Casey you'll be waiting a long time. If his pressure in the F50 is up he'll get rewarded. Obviously, it's remained pretty ordinary and we were also into a long winning streak, which didn't help his cause. We're a better team when Garlett's head is in the game.

I'm glad you accept that your declaration was a false premise. As for your new question to me re St Kilda and 2018 ? No, we're the superior team who played a poor game. Every year teams lose to inferior teams. It happens often throughout a long year. In the corresponding round last year Richmond lost to St Kilda by 70 points and we know who was the better team in 2017. In fact, it's a very stupid question. Dare I say, yet another inanity.

So you don't know that the first 3 quarters were "accepted" against the Saints. You're guessing they're OK with it because it's a failure in their game that's happened previously. To suggest the players and coach just idly "accept" this aspect in their game is another of your inanities.

Good God, man. Posters say they don't want words. They say actions speak louder than words. And it even has to be pointed out that it's a compulsory press conference for Goodwin. The same supporters who don't want words then forensically analyse his every syllable. They hang off every word they supposedly don't want to hear. As I said before, my comments were self-evident.

It's a silly question. Your answer is self evident in my comment.

But how do you know it was "accepted", which was your assertion. You were speaking about the game on the weekend against St Kilda. You weren't referencing any other game. How do you know the players and club have accepted those 3 quarters against St Kilda. That was your accusation. Now, answer the specific question and try not to reference 1966.

Oh dear. The following is @Danelska's question to you: What other club would accept those first 3 Quarters last week???...ps what does this statement even mean? How has it been accepted, or not? What do we need to see to know whether it has or has not been accepted? You haven't answered these question. What do you need to see to know whether it has been accepted ? Because you're inferring it HAS been accepted. How do you know this ? What does it look like ?

But you haven't answered the question. What do we need to see to know whether it has or has not been accepted ?

Rightly, many supporters want to see results instead of hearing platitudes. Yet so many of those same supporters analyse everything Goodwin says. They probably don't even realise the hypocrisy.

You were asked, "What do we need to see to know whether it has or has not been accepted?". This was with regards to your comment "what other club would accept the first 3 quarters". I'm interested in your response to this very specific question.

You didn't know. It's OK.

Clearly you didn't know. It's OK. At least it gave you opportunity to share an opinion that none of us knew.

You needed to see this list today to know the extent of our injuries ? Wow

As in life, the 80/20 rule is alive and well on Demonland. (Not in a good way)

Great. Another player I won't have to worry about next time we play Hawthorn. Looking forward to Roughead and Burgoyne joining him.

Who cares ?

It's sad that you even think you may have to apologise for that.

Out: Hannan, Petty, Tyson In: Spargo, Keilty, Stretch If they're not going to use Tyson as an inside mid there's no point playing him. I have doubts on Stretch, but he's been playing well and might now make a better fist of AFL level footy. Petty isn't ready. At 23 years of age and with our defensive issues if they don't give Keilty a go now they never will. He's strong, calm and a great mark. I suspect he hasn't been seen as an intercept defender and more suited to Oscar's role, which is why he's been overlooked, but right now he's a better option than Petty. Let's see what he's got. Spargo will make us a better team. We've missed his run and footy smarts. But in my view, this hasn't been a personnel issue, it's been more a system issue. We aren't not defending well enough through the middle of the ground, which then exposes individuals, as well as other parts of the ground. That said, I reckon these changes make us better. For now anyway.

While our backline definitely has issues we lost this game through the middle of the ground. St Kilda went to school on our QB game and used run and overlap in a swarm once they gained possession. Until we can defend through the middle of the ground we won't get anywhere. But where I'm more positive than most is that aspects of our game are top notch. And they're aspects that are not easy to get right. Contested possession, clearance work and the ability to get repeat F50 entries are areas all clubs aspire to excel in, but it's not easy to achieve. I do think we should be able to develop far better defensive structures through the middle of the ground. But we're running out of time. Clearly, Goodwin takes the blame for this, but I trust he can turn it around.

We didn't lose because of Petty (or Weideman) we lost the game in the midfield. Like QB their overlap run and spread allowed them to score freely. That said, our balance wasn't right and the extra tall in the forward-line didn't work.

Fair point. So how do you know if a coach can coach when there are so many hours within the club that you never see ?

Thanks for a misleading heading and wasting everyone's time.

FMD. Can't delete

You're conflating a cumulative 50 years SWYL-style. I thought you had more logic.

Do I need to list their horrible losses ? Again ? There are no great sides. BUT, clearly, we need to sort out our systems, which were dire today. I'll leave you to your version of the season and you can leave me to mine.