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I think with my brain, not my heart.

In over 23 years on this forum I don't think I've ever posted in it or even opened it. Why on earth would people post during the game ? I don't get it and never will.

If you don't give K. Pickett your 6 votes I question your sanity.

You're extraordinarily easily pleased. An average of 24 disposals in 2025 for a year 5 AFL listed mid is ''starring'' ? It's generous to label Laurie as vanilla. I'm beyond debating players who have the ability of Laurie. I'll leave you to duke it out along with other staunch supporters. He's worth your time not mine.

As was I. A short fumbler, who isn't quick, turns it over, doesn't star at the lower level, and doesn't have a single elite AFL level attribute.

Not as much as the term hate or haters. Good God man, come up with something more original than that hackneyed expression. Or be you and follow the crowd.

He should feel like one of the luckiest players in the AFL.

I can't get excited by Cross, but who knows, he may become a serviceable AFL player. But anybody is better than Laurie.

He's certainly been better for longer. Obviously, that wasn't my ranking criteria.

Martin Fyfe Gawn

I didn't compare anyone. You asked, ''How many seasons did Oliver, Trac take before they started dominating ??'' Seemingly, you had zero idea that Oliver won a B&F in his second year playing (mainly) as a teen.

In other words, you do have to reference their age/experience every time you reference them. That's utter nonsense. I suspect I'm different to 99% of Demonland posters. Langford has lacked intensity his entire, albeit small (just for you), career. He's nowhere near hard enough at the contest and never has been. And you don't need age or experience for that.

What has your post got to do with my post ?

Are you suggesting that there shouldn't be any scrutiny or that young players are beyond being critiqued ? Or that if you do critique them you must have an addendum at the end of said critique that references their age or lack of experience ? So, every time I assess their output I need to end my commentary with said addendum ?

Do I assume you're new to football or the MFC ? Oliver won a best & fairest in his second year playing most of the season as a teenager.

I concur with the comments on the last page or so re Moniz Wakefield. He's AFL quality. Heath has attributes. The rest ? Taylor is a mile off. Spend a year at the gym and Casey. Matthews: I really want this guy to make it. I'll reserve judgement, as I didn't see a lot to like. Forget the rest.

My goodness. The bloke is rubbish. One of the softest players I've seen.

McDonald is competing with Lever, Petty and Turner, he's not competing with Howes.

I understand your sentiment, but as Dazzle has stated, there'll be time - potentially decades - to revere their onfield exploits. More than anything right now, this club needs some refreshing honesty and introspection.

Well said, Ethan. No doubt the same ones who simply assumed Clarkson, Fagan, etc. were guilty and finished in football from the Hawthorn saga. They've apologised, haven't they ?

Depends who's commentating. If it's Kelli Underwood I won't hear anything. Or Garry Lyon.

For me it's not an age thing. When I was 20 I would have hated it too.

If there are songs played after goals that will be the end of me going to the football.

In his post siren on ground interview Oliver admitted that he arrived at GWS fat. After all his tribulations these last few years he still turned up, in his own words, fat. If you think anything would have been different in the same old environment he'd become accustomed to you belong on Demonland.

Built like a brick outhouse, fantastic speed, genuine class, excellent contested mark, penetrating left foot, hugely demanding on his team-mates and off the field he was prone to uncommon candour. A genuine favourite of mine and easily the best key defender I've seen in over 50 years. I hope he always feels welcome at the MFC.