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He's probably training as hard as ever, because it's what he knows when he's at the club and with his teammates. But it may be what he's doing away from the club. What he's eating, when he's eating, how much he's eating, whether he's doing all the one percent things to be in peak physical conditioning. It's impossible to believe he's giving himself the best chance to perform at an elite level. Well, it is for me.

Oliver's pace for an inside mid was always above average. But when you're overweight it slows you down bit.

That award goes to GWS. Their charcoal strip is fantastic. But we did win an award. The award for the most listless and dispirited team I've seen in a decade goes to the MFC. Goodwin, as we all know is finished, so I'm kind of excited to get the clean air we all need. Not least the players. And that's not to let them off the hook. If a quality player or two, needs to go for the betterment of the group then so be it. I'm now not averse to greatly improving our draft hand and resetting the course.

Look, we're working incredibly hard to improve our method.

15 of the 23 on Friday night played in the 2021 premiership. Nearly all are still in their prime or close enough to it. They're now playing bottom 3 football after having all preseason to refine their strategies. Clearly, there's something very wrong at this football club.

Unless you're a delusional liniment sniffer you'd realise it's over for Goodwin. He's finished. I'll be amazed if he sees out the season.

Goodwin is in his 9th year as senior coach, but for all intents and purposes was the senior coach in Roos' last year, so arguably 10. How long is too long to be subjected to the same voice ? There are exceptions to every rule, such as Sheedy and Chris Scott, but in my view he's had a good run. The message may be getting stale. So much has happened since the premiership that it's hard not to think that the club and players needs a new voice. It also needs some clean air. How good would some clean air be ? I expect we'll get back on track at some point during this year, it may even be tomorrow night, but in my view it's time for a change. Reinvigoration won't be guaranteed, but for me, Goodwin has run his course.

To be brutally honest I wasn't mad on the new format. I'm probably not mad on change in general. Until I switched to dark mode. It's great.

If you're not over his horrible disposal and terribly dumb decision making I'm not sure you're breathing. If it wasn't bad enough that he cost us the final against Carlton, he then screws the club at the end of last year in order to extend his contract by taking advantage of the mess the club was in with Petracca, Oliver and Pickett. His one in 6 or 7 ''hard'' games, when he actually does play well, doesn't suffice. The cliff comes quickly for some players and it's come for him. And he's here for 4 more years !! Lamb is a moron who blinked and I doubt Goodwin has the balls to drop him. Just stuck with him.

I agree with Gonzo. Ideally you want to keep your best players, including Brand and Oliver, especially as the return for them with regards to draft picks will no longer be there. What a shame we're stuck with Viney, who held the club to ransom when they were at their most vulnerable. He's hopeless. He can't kick or make good decisions. The game really has gone past him. There are just too many very ordinary players. I thought we were past watching players like Johnson, Turner, Sharp, Billings, Howes, and others, run around, but no, it's our reality. Things can turn around quickly but Goodwin is finished. Thanks for the flag but after 9 years it's over.

Obviously the Gawn issue was a non-story, although it once again highlighted Goodwin's, at times, poor judgement. I just wished the club would shut up. Stop talking about love, stop talking about connection, stop talking about individuals, just STFU. But, of course, that's not happening. Goodwin is on 360 and channel 7 tonight. It's a complete waste of time, because he'll either say something stupid, or be his typically boring self.

I don't expect other posters to remember my views on players but let's just say I'm a Harvey Langford fan. But I was quite underwhelmed with him on Sunday. I don't know whether it's just his manner but for me he lacked urgency and intensity around the contest (obviously not late in the last quarter near the boundary), he dropped marks he should have taken, including a 15 metre sitter kicked by Campbell, he has a weakness with ground-balls, no better epitomised than when a rolling ball clean bowled him through his legs, and he fumbled numerous times in tight at stoppages, including CBAs. He's a first year player, so you accept he's got a lot to learn, but it wasn't a performance that would elevate him to the senior team for me.

That's not the reason. He's soft.

I tend to agree. I think our best 18 is pretty strong, especially the backs and mids, but we fall away quickly with some very average players. I can't get excited by Jefferson, Turner, Johnson, Chandler and a few others.

Didn't you spend your life defending this bloke and his performanaces ?

I'd leave Petty back, but wouldn't be averse to McDonald trying to replicate his Plugger days up forward.

Last year on a Sunday at the exact same starting time Richmond played the same team and had 4,000 less people at the game (19,040). Richmond have a huge supporter base. And there was no grand prix to contend with. Perspective.

Neale-Bullen replicated the Kane Lambert role.

AFL debutantes or MFC debutantes. Sharp is one, but not the other.

Apparently he enjoys the actual training, as in on the green stuff, but doesn't enjoy all the little extras that the pros do. Some call all that extra stuff training too and consider it super important to ever maximise your potential. I suspect it will come in time.

This has been discussed ad nauseum. He's 200cm. A while back, a reporter - Sam Edmund - incorrectly converted 6'7'' to cm, another journalist repeated the radio comments in print, and here we are.

@adonski link won't load for me. I'm sure it's enlightening.

Pythag isn't infallible. In 2022 they were out on Collingwood by over 4 wins and Port by over 3. Collingwood won 16 (against a prediction of 11.9) and Port were 3 less (10). In 2023 they doubled down on Collingwood saying, 'We’ll say this: it would be absolutely staggering if Collingwood won more than 16 games next season.' ... there is essentially zero chance (16 wins) it will be repeated... Collingwood went on to win 18 games in the home & away and, of course, the flag.

The omnipresent Windsor.

Unfortunately, I won't be there. As for Jefferson ? He has no presence or urgency. I'll be mildly shocked if he makes it at AFL level. Some players scream ''I'm the man''. I wasn't keen on young Caddy in his final junior year, because he dropped sitters and looked fumbly, but he did have aggression in spades. Even at just 19 he thinks he's the man at AFL level. At age 17 Jesse Hogan playing for Casey knew he was the man. Jefferson is the opposite of ''I'm the man''. That's OK if you can still attack the contest like your life depended on it. I see that with van Rooyen, I don't with Jefferson. Someone else said he'll never be a pack crasher. If you're key position size at AFL level there's a level of competing in packs that's a non-negotiable for a forward. I don't think he has that level. Sorry to hurt people's feelings.