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I agree the hamstrings are an issue. But if you can just answer one question. If his kicking is as bad as suggested how would he have been rewarded with 3 top 3 B&F finishes in the 4 years prior to this season ? Also, have you ever laid eyes on him and watched him play ?

Yep, Treloar butchers every kick forward and his pace and spread from a stoppage is not something the MFC needs.

It's reportedly $900K for the next 5 years. If Collingwood paid $300K for the next 5 years Treloar costs you $600K. And he makes you better.

Obviously, which is why he finished top 3 in their B&F three times in 4 years. Idiots get ignored.

Is that the level of your analysis ?

Clearly, no other club is taking over his contract in its current form.

I'd argue that one of our biggest problems is spread from the midfield. Opposition clubs know that if they match us in the contest they can get us on the outside. Guess what Treloar excels at ?

He played 10 games and it was a bad year. But he's had very good years, including 2016, 2017 and 2019 when he finished top 3 in their B&F. He only kicked one goal this year, but let's not overlook years where he kicked 12, 13, 14, 13, 13, 12 and 10. They're very good goal kicking numbers for a midfielder. This year his D/E went at 60%, which is horrible. But over his career his D/E is 70.4%, which is fine. So, do we think the season just gone is the outlier, or the rest of his career ?

I agree with Deespencer. Having your two key forwards as pressure merchants is significant. In fact, it ranks 179 out of 180 on my list of crucial game day acts.

There are so many exaggerations at this time of year. Treloar's kicking in 2020 was most definitely below standard, but it hasn't always been poor. It's dropped away, but I dont have the expertise to know whether that's hamstring related or even a mental issue to do with his hamstrings. While never a great kick he's certainly been an acceptable kick. Dangerfield isn't a great kick either. Nor is Fyfe. Treloar has finished top 3 in the Pies B&F on 3 occasions out of five. The other two years he didn't play enough games due to injury to figure. Injury permitting he'd be a fantastic pickup for Melbourne and exactly the type of mid we're lacking and need.

McKerrnan is much better in the ruck than Brown. Have you seen Brown ruck ? I'm guessing not. Look, I couldn't give a rat's toss bag about McKernan, but with Preuss going we'll need mature backup in the ruck. Brown will NEVER cut it. So if not McKernan someone else.

As Old has mentioned, McKernan makes perfect sense. We need a mature ruck backup. Mitch Brown is hopeless in the ruck and Jackson is a baby. If Gawn is injured there's no mature backup. If it's not McKernan it will have to be someone else.

Brown will play for Melbourne for the next few years. I'm pleased without being ecstatic. BUT I'm not ''underwhelmed'' by this bloke, as some seem to be. In 3 years - 2017-2019 - he kicked the MOST goals in the AFL (188 frigging goals), which is no mean feat. And he hardly had the best midfield slotting it down his throat. I watched every one of his 65 goals from 2019 and two thirds did NOT come from leads. They were a combination of frees, contested marks, tackles, ground balls, and general play. And plenty of the goals from ''leads'' were not lace-out. In fact, only a few were. Plenty were just getting separation with smart leads and speed. Both Brown and Weideman cover a lot of territory. It's great that Weideman will get the second tall. Jackson will relieve ruck, play a bit on-ball, occasionally push deep as well as resting on the bench. It's a good get for the MFC.

May/Langdon.

Interesting. They're only 4 months apart in age and both played junior footy at Beverley Hills Football Club. Good get, BRFE.

There is literally no chance Cameron isn't at Geelong next year. It's zero.

It's almost like Frost's year has been elevated because he wasn't horrible and in fact had good games where he defended well. He was no better than he's been at Melbourne. Hawthorn got what they paid for, i.e. the good the bad and the ugly. Kent was Kent. He was a fringe player at Melbourne and he's a fringe player at St Kilda.

Notwithstanding the above ^^ assessment, I'd love to get him in a Dees jumper. The ability to rack up possessions is underrated and this guy does it in spades. He's also got plenty of toe. Yes, his kicking has gone off from his earlier years, but he does a lot right, which is why he's nearly always top 5 in the B&F. And until this year he was a goal-kicking mid. He usually kicks 12-13 per year. Obviously if we can't afford him we can't afford him. And I'm not suggesting we jeopardize recontracting the likes of Oliver, but I reckon he'd be a good fit in our midfield with his outside ability and pace. I know plenty won't agree.

It was a rookie error by Evil to be so adamant re his mail. Always leave yourself some wriggle room. As for Geelong ? Was it the oldest GF team in history ? And they're just getting older with Higgins and Smith. Somewhat baffling. Oh how I'd love to beat them in a final again at the G in 2021 and watch Smith trudge off.

He's only reporting what he's been told. There's too much talk on the personality of the journalists for my liking. They all get it right and they all get it wrong. Unlike some here, I don't believe any of them make it up. Some mail will be stronger than others. There are degrees of everything.

I have faith in your contacts, but it could be that despite previous utterances to the Melbourne camp he's changed his mind.

Perhaps. However, some gems have come from even the rookie draft. Back yourself to get some new talent in the door.

I would have cut him. He's finished. But I suspect the handling of McDonald was in the back of their minds as well as the cultural contribution he can provide. Then there's the 300 games... But if you can come up with other reasons they retained him I'm all ears.

I like Treloar and unlike some if we could manage it I'd like him in our midfield. But Oliver is a demonstrably better player, whether it be contested footy, loose balls, ground balls, etc. Oliver's combined speed and inside ball winning abilities are a more valuable combination than Treloar's accumulation, break away speed and sometimes questionable distribution. I think Oliver's loose ball and ground ball get abilities are sometimes overlooked. He's been the best in the league for the last 3 years. The ability to get first use of the footy and be the best in the league at it is huge. And we're yet to see the best of him. All he needs to do is use his legs more, which he started to do, and tidy up his disposal and decision making, which is quite within his capabilities. He's only just coming into his prime years.

Dear God. Oliver has made the AA team, Treloar hasn't. Oliver has two club B&Fs, Treloar none. Oliver is 23, Treloar is 27. Finally, seeing as though Brownlow votes are for some reason significant to you, Oliver averages 1 vote for every 1.8 game he plays and Treloar averages 1 vote for every 2.3 games he plays. So even on your very flawed metric Oliver has him covered. Treloar's Brownlow tally after his first 5 years is 33 votes compared to Oliver's 54. Treloar 101 games and Oliver 99. Oliver's average should go higher seeing as he hasn't even reached his prime years.