JackVineyForPresident

Has anyone watched Patton vs the Hawks. His reach is incredible, not to mention how much of a brute he is.

Can you show me the part where i said it was ALL up to the players. I said that "coaching can only take a team so far". Ofcourse coaching is important, but it ultimately up to the players to perform. In regards to players trying harder, i do believe players are definitely working harder in games, because they are beginning to believe, so yes, they probably in some way trying harder. And i would say it is a combination of becoming good and being coached to be good (in reference to players specifically). I believe coaches can only teach or help so much, eventually it is up to the players to become good. I'll give you a personal example. I play tennis, at a high level. I have an amazing coach and always have, but an issue was that i mentally didnt believe enough in myself. I have clicked and i am playing well and winning, but it was more up to me than my coaches

No, but it accentuates a meaning that does require a wrong or right label. Coaching can only take a team so far, it is up to the players to pull the trigger. You cannot possibly say that we are the same team or not surprising in the ultimate team and individual change

You could not be more wrong, even if you tried. I will bring up 2 points that disprove what you are saying. point number 1: We must look at last year, possibly the worst football i have ever seen a team play, no heart, spirit or skill. We put no pressure on our opposition and were smacked in basically every match. The current list is not that different from the one on the park today, players who were considered rubbish are actually standing up. So excuse me for being surprised about our play, one cannot predict players who didnt deserve a game last year to be playing well. point number 2: You need to take a look at the first 5 rounds of the season. Whilst in the Carlton and Gold Coast games we weren't terrible, we still had lapses and didnt look to be playing great football (not to mention a really poor first 3 rounds). But the transformation in the follow 5 rounds has exemplified a surprise in many AFL supporters and Melbourne supporters. We are a different side of late and forgive me for being surprised as a result of that.

I must say, i am shocked. I did not know that Paul Roos and the rest of the MFC would make such an impact this year, we truly are a different side. Roos has instilled confidence in the playing group which i havent seen since the brighter days in 2010 and much earlier. Players like Dom Tyson are playing top quality football (at just 20 years of age), Cam Pederson is playing like a gun half forward and Jack Viney is progressing faster than i ever expected. Not to mention players like M Jones, Bail and N Jones improving out of sight. I am not going to preach that i think we will be the next super team of the AFL, but i am going to say that we have the makings of a quality young sight. I have hope that under the current coaching group, Salem, Watts, Trengove, Toumpas, Michie, Gawn, Tyson (even more), Viney, Kent ect.. will develop into fine players. Not to mention what Roos will do in the upcoming free agency and trade period. So, Mr Frawley, if you want to leave for success, then i hope you get the same treatment as Colin Sylvia. Repay the faith that we have shown in you and sign on for 3 more years, we are a new Melbourne. Same goes for Dunny and Tmac. Yesterday was a confirmation of what we are aspiring and on our way to becoming, a top notch football side. Bring on the pies, bombers and kangas. It our time to shine

In: Dawes Kent Out: Toumpas Gawn (just to give him more time in VFL to shine, he does look good though) those of you think Grimes should be dropped, you're delusional. That is not how you show faith in a player who truly gives his best. Grimes will come good, just needs to work on the skill aspect. He is a leader who is committed to the contest and the team.

forward line? half forward? defensive tag? i cant stand watching him play

6. Tyson, all class 5. Cross, best tagging job all year 4. Viney, tried all day 25 disposals, quality 3. N Jones, great up until last 10 mins 2. Dunn, top class job 1. Jamar, killed it in the ruck sorry M Jones and Pedo, you both played well..

there is 4 minutes left why the [censored] would you torp it

enough with the negativity

i love Wingard, but in the context of this match, it works for us. They have lost one of their potential match winners

Tyson's kicking has been suspect, but he is a gun and always makes it up

Salem will be a superstar

its like we arent even trying

Toumpas is the sub, wasnt he omitted though?

We dont have enough to trade to get that. Lucky if we get one of those. Cameron is the priority, a power gun forward. Hogan, Cameron, Dawes and Wattsy!

No player is through and through if they arent getting a game. If Mitchell isnt getting a game then he'll leave

absolutely zero chance of getting Wines. He is happy and why wouldnt he be

possibly pick 4 and someone like Blease for Shiel and Kristen Jaskch?

He's more than a player. He's a young gun, but not worth throwing the house at

I agree.. But i wouldnt cough up pick 4 straight for Shiel (i would from Trealor), Shiel has not proven enough to be worth it. I would like them to combat Shiel with something

I think Trengove's pace is an issue, however it can be combatted. If Trengove can just gut run and make every contest, he will make up for it. I believe he can become a superstar, but just needs confidence and to stay injury free. He has more upside than most midfielders

Shiel is a brute, i'd like him at Melbourne. but i dont want to pay overs for someone who hasnt produced

I agree he isnt worth our first round pick.. but i dont think he's overrated. West Coast usually has alot of injuries and therefore leaving Gaff to create outside run that he isnt given, so therefore giving the illusion that he isnt playing well. I dont think he's overrated, i think he is rated fairly, he is a young gun who needs better support. I do not rate West Coast's midfield

Look he's pretty good.. much like Tyson at GWS, hasnt hit his straps yet. He'd be nice, but the issue is he really cannot handle a tag, i guess he wouldnt cop one with Jones and Tyson in the team though