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SimchaFreo Homey SimchaFreo > History > Krakouer Family Here from the Beginning: Jewish Contribution to Life in Early Fremantle The Krakouer FamilyIn the end, the role of Rudolph Krakouer in the development of the mining industry in W.A. was relegated to a footnote in W.A. history. The Krakouer Brothers went on to start a string of hotels from Collie to Norseman. More significantly, they married local indigenous women, starting a dynasty of football players of Jewish-Aboriginal descent. And perhaps this is the most fitting legacy from that one enterprising convict who arrived in Fremantle 155 years ago. Wendy and Ari Antonovsky

I know that Jewish Lineal lines are Matriarchal, I'm just reporting that on a site a few years ago which listed the ethnic origins of Aussie Rules footballers the 2 Krakour brothers were listed as having Jewish origin...

Warren Dean played as a half forward. Earl Spalding played centre half back. The bottom line is every club has its catalogue of fateful afflictions. Many of ours were self-inflicted, let's not dwell on them, let's look forward to 2015, signs are promising.

Herald Sun: The Krakouer brothers were born to Eric and Phoebe in Mt Barker, 350km south of Perth. They are descended from an English-Polish Jewish convict named Theodore Krakouer, who married a Noongar woman. They were raised on a reserve without electricity and where disease was rife (two of Jim and Phil's siblings died young).

What about the name Krakouer? For the record, they are also listed as Jewish footballers because the original Krakouer was Jewish, originally from Krakow in Poland, hence the name, who went to England, got arrested and sent as a convict to WA. True story.

Just watched the highlights; this lad is the pick of them all. Believe me folks, I said the same about Viv Richards at the Melbourne Test in 1974.

Just watched the second highlights package and I'm sold. It's almost as though the first was put together by someone who had an agenda, like 'this guy isn't THAT good' so his club could nab him. ( I know that's not the case!!!)

Just watched his highlight package and like his disposal by hand but have serious doubts about his kicking: hardly saw any kicks hit targets, saw him miss a few goals and saw a lot of high floating long bombs.

Wish Blease all the best but he always seemed a one trick pony to me.

The Lovetts were not related. Either were the Smiths. Is fndee taking the [censored]?

bush demon, on 17 Oct 2014 - 2:37 PM, said: Check out Blease's highlights. The guy's a gun! The Blease highlights were against boys: the Frost highlights are actual AFL games. There is a difference. True Heart likes this Like This Quote MultiQuote

Hopefully the jokes will be on the doubters.

It's easy to be pessimistic after 50 years but why not look on the bright side? Things have changed. They always do. This feels, after Tyson, Vince, Roos, like a change for the better. We ain't even seen the Hogan yet!

Am, what's Paul Roos' track record?

Just watched jack Frost's highlights on the MFC site and I don't know what the whingers are on about. He looks the goods to me. For a start his disposal is clean and crisp, and look at the size of the boy. He also shows a bit of grunt. Welcome to the Demons, Jack Frost.

To those of you with short memories, I take you back to 1980 when Barassi was The Messiah. It came to nought. Why? Simple, the cattle were emaciated critters, old recycled has-beens like Keenan and Crosswell, and a bunch of second raters with the exception of Flower. Then, round about 87 after Northey came on board things turned around. I'm sure it wasn't because Northey was a better coach than Barassi, I'm sure the ensuing success co-coincided with the arrival of Stynes, Wight, Spalding,Brett Lovett, Lovell, Dean, Hughes, O'Dwyer, Stretch, Yeats, Greg Healey and some more than handy troopers like Eishold etc. Then along came Lyon, Tingay, Jackovich, Glen Lovett, later Scwartz and Neitz and Yze etc etc etc. Roos is aware of this, that's why he constantly reiterates that we need better players. Bring them on, the new and better players.

Much sorrow: that should have been addressed to Mister Red and Blue.

Ah, Ron Burgundy, you are indeed a philipine! The great saying, those who know nothing about history just end up repeating the mistakes of the past. Hence Tony Abbott telling the world the earth is flat regarding Climate Change. Now, if he'd just heard about that fine gentleman Galileo Copernicus, a fine German Scholar, let alone heed his messages about the need to be scientific - and historic for that matter - we'd all be better off. What's facebook got to friggin well do with anything?

Just read Paul Roos' comment on the Demon Website. He simply said, We played better than I thought. I guess that's what I was trying to say above. They looked okay to me, even in the first half.

I watched the replay of the Essendon game - it took ages before it was posted - and for the first time since the early Daniher days felt that something very special is brewing here. Sure, Essendon had all those Inside 50's, they kept missing goals, but the bottom line is that at half time we were still well and truly in the game. The back line held up, players kept putting in, this is very definitely not the same Demon team we've seen for the past two years. We have a lot to look forward to. There are good players pushing - Clisby, Toumpas, down the road there'll be Hogan and Trengrove, the mighty JKH wasn't there, won't be there again this week, the Gawn, Evans, and Spencer was all heart and effort when he played. I feel we're in for something good.

Ditto Steve Smith...

I started following the demons when I went to my grandmother's house on a Saturday in late September 1958 and watched a game of a very foreign code unfold. I found myself barracking for the team that was losing, sadly an inclination that has shadowed my life: my daughter said to me 6 years ago, Why do you always back losers? I grew up in Bulldog territory, had Teddy Whitten himself bring round a Budgie I'd won in some crappy competition, a budgie I soon released to its fate because of all the maintenance requirements. So, as it turned out, I chanced on a winner. The demons were in every final till 1964. I was at cricket practice as Neil Crompton replied to the infamous Gabelich wobbly run and goal. Then came the drought we all know about. But, there were glimmers, Hardemann, Alves, Wells, Dillon, Parke - though I wished he could kick! - Sullivan, Baker, Fowler, Smith, the might Flower. Then came Northey, a night premiership, five years of finals, then Schwartz, Charles, Tingay, Lyon, Neitz, the Daniher years of one up, one down, and the chaos that followed. I started following Demonland during Mark Neeld's reign. I met him at a bottle shop where I work part time. He was/is a lovely guy who was passionate about what was happening and about to happen with his team. It didn't work out. Along came Roos. The saviour, I welcomed it because my brother always barracked for the Roys and I ended up watching as many Fitzroy games as Melbourne games in the late 70's and 80's. I read all the training reports, and do report that before I opened my computer the day on the day Jess Hogan's injury was reported I had a premonition about our boy Jess. So there's the NAB cup, then I await the announcement of the first team before the St Kilda game and I despair: there's no forward line, it's totally ad hoc because of INJURIES. Round two: ditto, no tall forwards, the Ruck position totally compromised by the fact that Spencer is the ONLY man standing. Round three: Ditto forward line, ditto the Ruck, and who is Spencer's opponent: the one and only Lewis Mumford, world famous ruck man and philosopher. In the meantime, I'm reading the pathetic doom and gloom posts on this site and finally I can't take it any more. I want to say to you doom and gloom mongers that the Demons will only START to be competitive when and if they can field a side that contains the likes of Garland, Hogan, Gawn, Jamar, a fully fit Dawes and quite probably Riley and Michie. Till that happens, why not watch the evolution of something that is potentially very good and allow time to heal what was obviously a very deep-seated cultural problem at the Melbourne Footy Club.