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Many things are possible OD. It is possible we were the only side that tanked. It is possible that African Swallows tethered together could carry a coconut. That is not what happened at the EFC

So wyl what do you think happened to the records? I happen to know someone who was charged with a failure to keep full & factual records (I think that is what he said) But the truth be known he did keep those records and they were factual. He simply chose to not provide those records. One can only presume that the penalty for failure to keep was less that what may have occurred if that evidence had been forthcoming. Does this sound familiar? I think those records were hidden for a long time just in case they were really needed. Sound possible? This acquaintance, now departed put all those records somewhere, one day they may turn up. With EFC I reckon there may be more than one copy. They often say follow the money, Or who benefited or stands to benefit? We can guess. Young Jimmy's on a good wicket, $1mill for no work for a year, extended contract $250k towards education in Switzerland I think. Who else? One can only speculate.We may never know, "Underbelly 4 The Don" we may have to wait until everyone is dead.

I was waiting for that. But does he really? Had such an exciting start, I thought he was our next superstar.

I know, trying to inject some humour. But I keep no records of my injections. I can't help it I'm like a dog with a bone, I think you may be similar in that respect.

Ouija board I would presume. Obviously they keep no records. I will respect you in the morning. The cheques in the mail. We kept no records. The three great lies. I forgot, The dog ate my homework. 2+2=Four

Have enjoyed the discussion. I agree to disagree. I hope we get more than one, win that is. IMO 8-10. but that is only my opinion.

Nice.

H is for Hogan? Not familiar with the God Dancing Christs are they from Elwood?

So do we have to send him to Carlton to learn to kick?

What, I don't get an extra 10% for having to go to Sydney? Buddy did.

We may well have the Tassie Bombers as my informant suggested. I think the EFC may be in for a spell very soon.

The players have time to sue the EFC. I would expect after the end of their playing careers a few will come out slugging. EFC will have no records to show that the program could not cause a future problem to the players. Hoist on their own petard.

Full and accurate record keeping is the underpinning of any business. Blind Freddie could see that the EFC have disposed of incriminating evidence. Sorry to Freddie for using his name in the same sentence as the cheats at EFC. So EFC, was everyone at the EFC so incompetent that they should all be sacked or have they disposed of the evidence? They are the options.. Mmmmm you know what I think. Whatever it takes. Cheat, lie, put at risk, drug use, failure of duty of care, incompetence, blame shift. Whatever it takes.EFC

I think that the HUN have documents to suggest that they are at no risk of litigation. They have not claimed the guilt of players just that they have been named. Messy journalism, but when ASADA is finished with EFC this whole HUN episode will probably be forgotten. No problem with slander when you tell the truth.

Obvious really six quarters the last time I looked was a cup & a half. (Think Cadbury's) Four thirds, now that's plain silly we don't play thirds any more, they become the under 19's now sadly gone as has the McClennan Trophy. I think five halves play rugby, could be wrong. Hope that has cleared things up .

I can remember a forward line that had Neitz, Schwartz, Jackovich, Lyon and Darren Bennett don't think they ever played together.

It beggars belief that any organisation would plan to implement a program that includes administering 11,000 injections of various chemicals and have no records whatsoever of who got what and when. In all seriousness I do not think that you believe this either. For you to accept this you would need to accept that The accounts department at EFC are incompetent. The coaching department are incompetent, The welfare officers, players, medical staff etc. all incompetent.That no body in the organisation thought it unusual to be buying chemicals , paying to have them administered complete with signed waivers by players regarding the administration of chemicals, none of this unusual. That no program existed to record or manage in any way the administration of chemicals to cherished players, the very same players that they monitor everything they eat or drink, the amount of sleep they get and try to maintain their health to the highest levels in society.This is what you expect us to believe? No, you expect us to believe that they decided to bring in some quack outsider and let him do whatever he likes without records without supervision and bench marking, no control. She'll be right mate no we don't need any information no comparisons before and after no recording of possible side effects, no mate don't worry about they are just guinea pigs after all give em another jab or two, oh whats that in that vial give them some of that too she'll be right mate!.. Imagine a professional club embarking on a training regime, they do not record who trains and when, how far or fast they run. And this totally adhoc system does not attract the attention of anyone within the club. That no one at the club asked any questions.This is what you expect us to believe happened at EFC? IMO they had records, they have vanished. What do we think happened to them? 2+2=4 I have no evidence to support my answer but I know it is true.

You are not the only one wondering about workcover. I think it will come. I think it is a matter of getting ones ducks in a line. https://theconversation.com/time-for-ohs-regulators-to-get-off-the-bench-and-into-the-game-17039

Four is the answer, we know that, but if you don't show the working out some people will not accept the answer. You may say they are pedantic (not you OD) I say that technically they are correct (Yes you OD). For without the working out (detail) how can you prove the answer. So for many of us knowing the answer is enough. But that is not so for all.

Big Carl has retired hasn't he?

I added a line in my edit. I am not saying there is any evidence that they did away with the records, but it is obvious that they did. Caught me twice in one day shooting off before I was ready to shoot. I suffer from premature-posting. Essendon probably have something for that left in the cupboard.

(h) failed to identify and record the source from which all substances used by players were obtained; (i) failed to adequately monitor and record the use of substances; (j) failed to audit or monitor all substances held on the premises of the Club; (k) failed to implement a system for recording and storing all substances held on the premises of the Club; etc. etc. etc. follow the link and read on. http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/EssendonFC-notice-of-charges.pdf It is an amazing read. I am not saying there is any evidence that they did away with the records, but it is obvious that they did. PS:- I promise not to use the word simpleton again. Well, I will endeavor not to use it again!

We are good. I had no intention of upsetting you. You were right to pick up on that point, thank you. The last thing I want to do is be rude to MFC supporters. I am quite happy to give it to Essendon at every opportunity.

Sorry, really had no intentions of insulting you. I certainly have no knowledge that would indicate that you are a simpleton, quite the contrary. I suppose my over zealous rant led to including you. You may well be right that "most conspiracy's are in fact just incompetent stuff ups." I don't think this is one of those cases. But I respect your right to disagree. Go dees! PS:- I read my rant again, it was poorly/hastily written. I accept the wrath. It does read like a dig at you. Your point was fair "most conspiracy's" My humble apologies

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