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I can remember a forward line that had Neitz, Schwartz, Jackovich, Lyon and Darren Bennett don't think they ever played together.

It beggars belief that any organisation would plan to implement a program that includes administering 11,000 injections of various chemicals and have no records whatsoever of who got what and when. In all seriousness I do not think that you believe this either. For you to accept this you would need to accept that The accounts department at EFC are incompetent. The coaching department are incompetent, The welfare officers, players, medical staff etc. all incompetent.That no body in the organisation thought it unusual to be buying chemicals , paying to have them administered complete with signed waivers by players regarding the administration of chemicals, none of this unusual. That no program existed to record or manage in any way the administration of chemicals to cherished players, the very same players that they monitor everything they eat or drink, the amount of sleep they get and try to maintain their health to the highest levels in society.This is what you expect us to believe? No, you expect us to believe that they decided to bring in some quack outsider and let him do whatever he likes without records without supervision and bench marking, no control. She'll be right mate no we don't need any information no comparisons before and after no recording of possible side effects, no mate don't worry about they are just guinea pigs after all give em another jab or two, oh whats that in that vial give them some of that too she'll be right mate!.. Imagine a professional club embarking on a training regime, they do not record who trains and when, how far or fast they run. And this totally adhoc system does not attract the attention of anyone within the club. That no one at the club asked any questions.This is what you expect us to believe happened at EFC? IMO they had records, they have vanished. What do we think happened to them? 2+2=4 I have no evidence to support my answer but I know it is true.

You are not the only one wondering about workcover. I think it will come. I think it is a matter of getting ones ducks in a line. https://theconversation.com/time-for-ohs-regulators-to-get-off-the-bench-and-into-the-game-17039

Four is the answer, we know that, but if you don't show the working out some people will not accept the answer. You may say they are pedantic (not you OD) I say that technically they are correct (Yes you OD). For without the working out (detail) how can you prove the answer. So for many of us knowing the answer is enough. But that is not so for all.

Big Carl has retired hasn't he?

I added a line in my edit. I am not saying there is any evidence that they did away with the records, but it is obvious that they did. Caught me twice in one day shooting off before I was ready to shoot. I suffer from premature-posting. Essendon probably have something for that left in the cupboard.

(h) failed to identify and record the source from which all substances used by players were obtained; (i) failed to adequately monitor and record the use of substances; (j) failed to audit or monitor all substances held on the premises of the Club; (k) failed to implement a system for recording and storing all substances held on the premises of the Club; etc. etc. etc. follow the link and read on. http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/EssendonFC-notice-of-charges.pdf It is an amazing read. I am not saying there is any evidence that they did away with the records, but it is obvious that they did. PS:- I promise not to use the word simpleton again. Well, I will endeavor not to use it again!

We are good. I had no intention of upsetting you. You were right to pick up on that point, thank you. The last thing I want to do is be rude to MFC supporters. I am quite happy to give it to Essendon at every opportunity.

Sorry, really had no intentions of insulting you. I certainly have no knowledge that would indicate that you are a simpleton, quite the contrary. I suppose my over zealous rant led to including you. You may well be right that "most conspiracy's are in fact just incompetent stuff ups." I don't think this is one of those cases. But I respect your right to disagree. Go dees! PS:- I read my rant again, it was poorly/hastily written. I accept the wrath. It does read like a dig at you. Your point was fair "most conspiracy's" My humble apologies

Lube All Plus™ Horse and Dog Supplement Yes seriously that is what it is. https://www.equiade.com/Equiade-Lube-All-Plus-Horse-Dog-Supplement.htm

Surely you jest Cannot find my source at the moment but 11,000 injections upto 40 players So the players were to get almost 300 injections each of various substances and nobody keep records! I am not saying this of you but only a simpleton would accept the no records were kept lie. Here is a short list of the drugs allegedly given to the players from the 34 page Notice of Charges (page 24-25): actovegin unspecified amino acids unspecified multi-vitamins AOD-9604 creams AOD-9604 injections cerebrolysin colostrum REDACTED (it’s blanked out in the charge list) lactaway lube-all-plus melatonin melanotan II TA-65 thymosin beta 4 traumeel tribulus And what, nobody keep any records of who took what. Get real. It is a massive cover up by Essendon. Check out the articles on. https://theconversation.com/topics/essendon

I concur. No thinking person believes that Essendon kept no records of the injection program. It is a palpable lie. They had records and destroyed them. This is dishonest and shows no duty of care to players potential future health problems. No company in Australia would get away with this level of deceit and corruption without serious charges. Please take the time to read.the Notice of Charge 1.6 http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/EssendonFC-notice-of-charges.pdf The redacted items would curl your hair or in JH's case put a little too much lead in his pencil. Essendon must have more pain to come.

As an aside, the case for the COLA that Sydney clubs get is weakened by the similarity in cost of living announced today between Sydney and Melbourne. http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/sydney-melbourne-more-expensive-than-new-york-says-living-index-20140305-3466w.html According to the data there is a 1.7% difference in costs between Syd & Melb the 5th & 6th most expensive cities in the world. So if the cap is approx $9.5 million 40 players = approx $4000 each. I think they get a lot more than that. Should Adelaide & Perth(cheaper cities ) get less? Of coarse not. One cap for all. These players get enough.

The only real stat that matters is the scoreboard! (Stating the obvious) The excitement about "the possession count" is that it is a positive marker. In the past we seemed to only lead in turnovers and clangers. When you take the Roos style melded with our list "the possession game" is an obvious way to "improve our percentage over 50%" It is a step, to the greater plan, more possessions, better disposal, greater score, winning, premiership. "A journey of a thousand miles began with a single step." 1904 Saying of Lao Tzu

Do you remember a skinny bespectacled kid called Robert Flower? He could play, if Watts could develop like he did i for one would take that any day.

I dream of this.

That is my understanding too. So effectively they are WADA penalties not the AFL's but the AFL carries them out or else. Sorry I took the short cut with "The AFL would have no say in penalty". Perhaps I should have said " the AFL would have little say in the penalties"

Thanks for the clarification, has any sporting body not adopted the penalties? Then what?

As I said earlier, WADA knowledge. 1 year ban. A fill in team for 1 year. It is possible. The AFL would have no say in penalty. Woof is right. Does that mean that Richmond can finish 8th again? This is rumour not fact 360 Robbo.

Believe it, I BELIEVE IT! If we have it they don't. Did you see StKilda play GWS, they were [censored] and GWS finished last. Our inside 50 count was poor as you say, not enough big forwards to kick too. Remember, missing Garland, Frawley Dawes, Clark a decent ruckman, You take FB CHB FF CHF & ruck from any side see how they perform, we were magnificent because we had a plan and we stuck to it, yes we over possessed but at least we had the pill.

Melbourne was ranked No. 1 for disposals and time in possession over the NAB Challenge pre-season series, according to Champion Data. ​Yes it says Melbourne, that's us. Carry that into round 1 and look out Saints.

"Oh the humanity...." Herbert Morrison commenting on the Hindenburg disaster. Or Dennis Commetti at Melbourne's round 1 performances recently.

Robbo does love the game, he can be quite passionate about it. Unfortunately he is more like a hammer than a scalpel. Watching him on 360 is akin to watching an Orangutan play guitar. Sometimes he gets the right note. I do admire " I got that one wrong" however he should check facts from multiple sources, too much to expect from an Orangutan.

Getting close to the pointy end. Loose lips and all that. Can you feel it? Go deees! I'm excited.

The thing about skeptics is they claim to be never wrong. It is a low risk position.( I don't believe the world is round unless you prove it to me.) Once proven they jump on board like a zealot. Go out on a limb master, what do you think not what do you know. It can be liberating.