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James Hird 28th Aug 2013 "There were things that went on that shouldn't have happened last year. As senior coach I have to take some responsibility for what happened and not doing more to stop it." Hird the hypocrite.

Sorry, who is he?

Why would Essendon appeal? They have not received any penalty. At this stage they are not guilty of anything! (WorkCare and shoddy bookkeeping aside) What if a player appeals? My understanding is that the suspension stays in place during the appeal, that any appeal is held under Swiss law, probably in Switzerland and only points of law can be appealed. It could take 6-12 months before an appeal held. Good luck with that.

I think we tanked. I think many teams tanked. Sides are rewarded for losing.# I think the penalties we received for bringing the game into disrepute were the same as a tanking penalty. Essendon received a penalty for bringing the game into disrepute, for shoddy book keeping. Since then WorkCare have found them guilty and CAS have found them guilty of actions far more serious than book keeping and no penalties from AFL house. Logically from this can we presume that if Essendon had kept good records of cheating that they would have received no penalty? #The draft should be a lottery.

The EFC have received NO penalty for having 34 players guilty of taking PED's. They have received no penalty for organising & running a program that led to 34 players being found guilty of using PED's. Book keeping penalties 2 years ago do not cover this atrocity. They have received help to bolster their side and will be allowed a larger salary cap and will likely receive the 1st pick in the draft. The penalised players will be paid for not playing! Where is the penaty for the club that experimented with the health of these young men? Where is the penalty for the club that cheated?

Sue, that does not hold weight as the players say they do not know what they were taking. It reinforces my belief that they are lying.

The fine for bringing the game into disrepute was for failure to keep appropriate records, not for a program where 34 players have been found guilty of drug cheating. They have not been penalised for drug cheating and are unlikely to be, this is a travesty of justice.

Yes we did get fined for bringing the game into disrepute. Have EFC been fined for that? Or was Chris Connoly's joke worse than having 34 drug cheats in a systematic PED program? The AFL are a disgrace on this matter

Yes we did get fined for bringing the game into disrepute. Have EFC been fined for that? Or was Chris Connoly's joke worse than having 34 drug cheats in a systematic PED program? The AFL are a disgrace on this matter

I would have to agree with your disagreeing with his disagreement.....I think

Take a chill pill Curry. You said Curry & Beer "it's not an indicator of a goddam thing" Well my friend it is a very good indicator of several things, including that the football department thought he was worth it. No doubt you will ignore this fact as it does not suit your argument which is I might say more intent on character assassination than informed comment. If you were to try some of your own suggestions perhaps we would all be better off.

I think it is an indicator that he is a better footballer than you, what was the longest contract offered to you? --------------------------- You said "it's not an indicator of a goddam thing" Clearly it is an indicator the the football department thought he was worth it. Seriously you should re-read the posts and apologise, you've completely misfired.

I think it is an indicator that he is a better footballer than you, what was the longest contract offered to you?

But you wondered why people liked it in olisiks post. Curry some of us thought it funny, this is no slight on you.

Roget's Thesaurus:- Gravity - Synonyms.....Pressure... Weight....Force......Dawes

No. I don't agree about the cotton wool, accidents will happen, young men, even professional athletes are raging with energy. They will find a way to hurt themselves even fighting over toast with a sibling. I would suggest that Jones has been involved in many bumps and bruises away from football and has been lucky to date. He is probably tougher than most, I remember Jimmy Stynes would recover from broken bones and keep playing, not all players are like that. No doubt Petracca has been advised to be more careful and so he should. PS:- I thought missing 0 from 0 since debut was funny. But it is the off season

C & B, how many has Jones missed out of a possible number? It is not valid to compare stats that are not comparable. How many games did Jones miss before his debut? Doesn't matter it was humourous to me.

Serious answer, you used a stat from debut, Petracca has not made a debut, so your stats look silly. Simple humour.

Surely Jobe has had his chance many times to come clean on PED cheating. He is now a convicted drug cheat. He was cheating the year he won the Brownlow. There is no discussion. You are a guilty drug cheat give it back, end of discussion. PS: Hey Lance Armstrong, do you want to discuss why you should keep your Tour de France trophy's. PPS: Why ask a cheat why he should keep his ill gotten gain. Do you ask a thief is he should keep his booty when he is caught? AFL you are a joke.

Almost brilliant but you left Turd and Jab in.

The retired players like McVeigh that are now coaches I presume that they cannot coach this year?

Beeb, I would be very disappointed if a contingency plan was not in place.

Soon & Tania

Popcorn finished, ready to applaud the fat lady. PS. Practicing the smug face to EFC supporters......yes got it.

I am resigned to the fact that some people get it, some will get it and some never will.