mo64

So what happens if Freo and WCE also have sh#t years next year? If this quote is true, he's basically giving the club an ultimatum, "perform or else I leave. Oh and btw, I'll probably leave anyway."

That may be the case, but he's just treating players as children. Player movement is a part of football, and always has been. Roos' comment served no purpose because in reality, he'd never go ahead with the threat.

I actually think the club pushed Frawley out the door with a low-ball contract offer, knowing that pick 3 was on the table as compo. And I agree that Frawley was fully invested in the club, but knew the writing was on he wall. The comment that Roos made is hypocritical and out of touch with reality.

It's not just the distance that Dunn kicks that's impressive, but the power and accuracy. It's the best way to dismantle a forward press by the opposition. I think the Dunn haters are being disingenuous with their assessment of Dunn's kicking on Sunday. We had Bernie Vince in the backline for a large part of the season, and I always thought that he was one of the best kicks at the club. For the most part, his kicking was deplorable out of defence.

Can you explain how you can measure one against the other?

If Franklin and Tippett want ongoing premiership success, they're the ones that should be taking a haircut, like the senior players at Geelong and Hawthorn have over their premiership years. Apparently the money being offered to Mitchell by the Swans is about the same as what we're paying Melksham. It's left Mitchell with no choice but to leave.

I'm pretty sure this is the reason that Brisbane are shopping him around. Usually clubs employing a new coach would retain a talent like Hanley, but clearly the club don't see him as a good influence on a young list. A big no for me based on the reasons above and his age.

Not sure what relevance Minson has to your argument. I'd never play Spencer as the no.1 ruckman for that very reason. As for the Dogs key defenders, due to injury, Beveridge has played those that he's had at his disposal. Morris, Hamling and Adams have all been played as stay at home defenders. He obviously saw the need in that area when he started the job because he's brought in Hamling and Adams since he arrived.

Agree. Reminds me of the Bailey era when we stamped the papers of certain players and played kids who turned out to be rubbish. Goodwin should take a leaf out of the Beveridge coaching manual and allow the players to play to their strengths. Dunn has far more ability than O. Mac and Frost. Pick 48 for him is a waste.

If Oscar Mac wasn't on our list, was there anything that you saw of him at VFL level that made you think he'd be an AFL quality kpp? I see more AFL attributes in Keilty and McInerney than I do in O Mac and Spencer.

Clarko was right, they had a bizaare finals system back then. In 1929, Collingwood got smashed in the 2nd semi, but still went straight through to the GF (avoided the prelim) because they were minor premiers. In 1930, they lost the GF to Geelong (called prelim for the record), but again because they were the minor premiers, they had a rematch against Geelong, which they won. Reference: VFL Finals book not my memory.

I think our defensive zone changed in the 2nd half of the year, and we had someone sitting back. For mine, that's a perfect role for Dunn.

When kicking skills are a premium in the modern game, I still can't understand why Dunn can't be utilised somehow in a backline that consists of Frost and the Mac brothers. He seemed to have his cards marked, but hopefully that was a Roos issue rather than Goodwin. If he seeks a trade, he'd have more currency than any other player outside our best 22.

Either Freo or WCE will have to give up a decent pick to acquire Brad Hill. Hawks need this pick to be part of O'Meara, Mitchell and Vickery deals. Just can't see how either club can satisfy us with draft picks.

Acquiring Hogan at his age is hardly going against Freo's rebuild philosophy. Hogan could be a one in a generation player. You really think they'd pass up on him for an unproven high draft pick and a handy player?

We must have been watching a different game. He did nothing in the ruck, and when the ball is kicked high in his vicinity, he can't read the flight of the ball to get in a position to mark. I'd rather have either of Footscrays's ruckmen in Minson or Campbell as back up to Gawn. Baffling decision to give him a 1 year extension mid year.

" It's always tease, tease, teaseYou're happy when I'm on my knees " Yep. That just about sums it up.

Roughead is a massive loss to their team, and with his playing future in doubt, they won't win a flag with their forward structure. And Vickery won't solve the problem.

You compared him to Jaksch. That's not a compliment. The talk is that Carlton will trade next years' 1st rounder for him because GWS don't need more picks this year.

That's all well and good, but why slag off a young player who's just making his way in the game. Would you have made the same comment if he chose Melbourne? The point stuie makes also applies to a lot of the garbage recently posted about Prestia.

Would Hogan requesting a trade stir the loins WJ?

No I didn't. My response to DubDee was about his whinge about good players going to top clubs under free agency. His post had nothing to do with Marchbank. As I pointed out later, SOS' relationship with GWS players is the reason for Marchbank's move. MFC and 16 other clubs were never in the hunt. FWIW, I think that Marchbank will be a good player, but I don't consider him an A grader, nor did I consider him to be a targeted player by us. But I stand by my belief that we are not a destination club.

So none of your points were relevant to this thread. As for the dig at Carlton, I'd hold your fire until we've actually achieved something.

Not according to GNF. Dangerfield, Josh Kennedy and Prestia should all be wearing the blue and red, lol. In all seriousness, we've seen plenty of players move to Melbourne recently, but none of them would be classed as A graders, and I doubt that we've been in a bidding war with other clubs to acquire their services. The club seems to be missing out on the free agents for some reason. Apart from Shannon Byrnes (a massive administrative F-up) I can't think of anyone else.

The strange thing about Richmond is that they weren't able to attract a decent player when they were playing finals. After one crap year, they've been able to attract Prestia. I don't see Carlton as a destination club just yet. SOS' GWS connections has attracted some players who aren't in their best 22. As for Collingwood, they must be selling big crowds and opportunities outside of football (media). As for Melbourne, maybe opposition players aren't as buoyant of our pospects as our supporters. It's our 3rd consecutive rebuild, so the jury is still out about the club.