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My understanding is the only way we messed this up is our first pick driftedmuch higher in the back end of the year than when we were willing to part with it for the proposed deal. Then both parties cooled for differing reasons.

I think the most likely will be if Richmond decide to spread some of their potential 2024 first round bounty for Rioli, Bolton, Baker et al across into 2025 and bank on us bombing with our F1.

They have form of keeping players in contract who want to leave for personal circumstance. Bobby Hill a good example.

I had not watched any highlights of Kako until The Age rumoured our potential interest. The highlights show very good traits, super clean handling in tight, good burst acceleration, does not go to ground, simple compact kicking style.

Unless GC have high confidence in us bombing in 2025 then it feels like other clubs with interest are ahead of us with what they can offer.

Peatling, Cumming and Nibbler. they must be doing something right in their pitches.

Arguably the best performed VFL ruck in 2024 aside from Ned Moyle and Nick Bryan who are both young and in contract and would not come to sit behind Gawn as a plan B option let alone the cost to acquire them. Make sense to me as a no/low cost 2025 solution.

It would be a consideration if out of contract but under contract would cost overs and I am not convinced he brings the connection and execution we need to layer outside of first possession. You would think with Fyfe and OMeara aging he/they would expect him to break in with another preseason.

What a game the VFL GF was. Would have no issue with Bice with a later pick and I think Heron has the skills and speed for another shot at it. Brew great inside stoppage but cant see how it would translate at next level.

Why if he comes cheap? Who are our round 1 small forwards. Koz ?(suspended). Nibbler ?(gone). Spargo ? (has not played for a year)? So Chandler and possibly Kolt or Kynan or …… A good quality opportunist small forward (6 games of 3 goals and 33 in total for 2024) who is very team oriented who would come at low cost. I can see the potential appeal.

Carlton are obviously wanting to clear the decks for a run at Houston. Kennedy wont be on big money but is in contract. He fills our need and style and provides another mature inside bull whilst we see where Clarry and Trac are at. Has also shown quality pinch hitting forward so could play alternate to Trac (or the role subject to how long his return). If they want him out the key is getting him to request us and then we should get him for cheap (pick 45 or 50 could get it done).

Excellent depth at what contract value???? Its a no for me based on the combo of our need, his need and even if draft cheap the salary impact.

We dont need speedy midfielders with precise kicking?

Adams is a young 20 with good speed who needs another preseason or two to build strength, repeat endurance and with that confidence to position himself for a game. The only young keys from that draft playing any reasonably consistent level of AFL games to this point are Cadman and Weddle (who is more a utility than a key). I suggest the club have quiet confidence in him being they extended his contract to end of 2026 before the recent season commenced.

His output and highlights are quality. He is the type of player that could end up a JT special. Good size, speed and skills and whilst he played general back I can see how he could translate into elite midfield attributes. JT certainly does not generally follow the same order as most.

Agree watch him closely as it get toward November and he hears club rumours but JT has a habit of not picking to the norm.

Worth remembering Cal Twomey's Sept 2023 phantom form guide had Windsor at pick 14 and his prior two versions not even in the top 20 prospects. In JT we trust....

I would say not quick (but wouldn't say slow). The one thing I did really like is the weighting of his kicks (something we lack).In saying that Jagga, Draper, Langford, Lalor preferred by me )and possibly Reid).

Caleb Daniel good game is 300 metres gained. Houston averages 450-480m. We have enough smallish players with dinky kicks.

I count it as 9 but close enough. If they are not up to it and out of contract then I would prefer us to look at someone mature outside untried or retried than someone we know is not going to make a difference (recontracting Schache a good example). I assume 2 of the spots are Yze and Mentha. Then I will assume 3-4 in a quality draft with depth. So I dont think it would surprise that we bring in 3-4 players from other clubs in trade or delisted FA’s to improve our depth and balance out some of the lost maturity over 2023/2024.

Of this list. B Brown is known. I would also delist KFW, Hore, Hunter, Schache, Sestan, Smith. I suspect Tomlinson looks after itself via free agencyh. TMac deserves to go around again if he chooses as does Melksham with the loss of mature leadership we have lost with Gus and ANB. Verrall, AMW and Kynan have shown good development for age.

Why wont you get value? I suggest he is one of few we should be seeing what his value is to the right team. We need to find ways to maintain our high pick and try and get another this year whilst bringing in other mature roles that may have upside for cost.

6. Viney 5. Langdon 4. Gawn 3. Turner 2. Salem 1. McDonald

There is no world I see where either of them net you a top 20 pick or close to.

Who are you willing to trade to get it done that you think has the realistic value to make this happen?