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2011 was the only years that I can recall where Green had a bad one. Almost everyone was in favour of him getting the captaincy but it just didn't work; that aside he has been a fantastic player for us and it is a shame that he is remembered for the the one bad year and not the plenty of good ones.

Then why post in this thread? For whatever faults he may have, he is a 200+ game, 10 year player at the Club that should deserve appropriate respect.

Green remains an impressive bloke and clearly committed to the club whatever the outcome.

What if the coach and the program had been vetted by the club? I would assume that he'd run it by our coaches before he did something like that.

I would have thought the fact we are spending an additional $15M and still turning a profit is a positive thing? Sure we still have work to do but why dump on the club when they are moving in the right direction? Rome wasn't built in a day as they say and the Demons task of taking over the modern day Colisseum is a gradual process that is moving in the right direction.

I don't think we 'need' Manson. We have forwards in Clark, Jurrah, Howe, Petterd, Watts, Green. I think Jurrah is better, definately a better kick, and if he was playing in the NTFL, he'd be kicking 12+ goals each week and twice as many on Sundays looking at the standard. But if the club picks him up, I'm wrong.

There's a large dose of luck involved. For every Fyfe taken at around 20, or Hanneberry taken around 30, it ignores the fact that the team choosing him probably would've opted for a Tambling, a Farren Ray or a James Sellar instead, if they were still available at that point rather than being chosen top 10.

Ben Holland owns this thread.

Oddly, I love watching Zac Dawson play. Not Melbourne of course, but everything he does seems to verge on Slapstick. A classic example occurred late this season when he jumped into a pack to spoil. The ball went straight up in the air. Zac made a few rapid rotations on the spot trying to find it before it came down right on his head. You can't teach comic timing like that.

Those players are A grade, but Trengove isn't? You need to take off your turd-coloured glasses when appraising young demons, Robbie. And BP wasn't in charge for the 2007 draft, so not sure what the relevance is. Really what I was trying to illustrate is that NONE of the players drafted in the time BP has been in charge have become A graders because they are all too young. A lot show promise, but aren't there yet. (bar Fyfe in my opinion - but he is a special case and even Freo have been surprised with how he has developed).

I'm prepared to let this pass through to the keeper but posters should be aware that our current policy does not support the making of jokes at other people's expanse er ... expense.

Disagree, I reckon he's ours if we want him.

To be quite honest I reckon if we do take him it will be as a Rookie and I doubt that he will be snapped up in the national draft as some seem to think. It would be good to get him on board but we have to be realistic, he will be a gamble and just because he is kicking goals in Darwin it doesn't mean he will kick them in the top competition in the land. I wonder if Liam got too many easy games early on and didn't have to fight for them and if so I wonder if the club has learnt a valuable lesson.Talent is a wonderful thing but it has to be coupled with hunger, to do any good.

Went to training this morning and stayed for almost two hours. It was a really interesting session considering who was doing what. There were two separate groups - the main group - and I counted 26 players in this group. The other group was a strange mixture of rehab people and late starters like Jurrah. Colin Sylvia walked about 10 laps before heading inside. Luke Tapscott walked a lot of laps with a young member of the fitness staff. Jordie McKenzie jogged a heap of laps. James Strauss (who appeared for only 20 mins or so) and McKenzie did a light kicking drill together, about half way through the training session. Neil Craig was with them and he was correcting thier kicking actions. Although they were only 20 metres apart, Craig appeared to be making them focus really hard on a specific kicking method. Jack Trengove, Mark Jamar and Dan Nicholson made a small group of their own that did not sem to attach to the rehab group or main group. They did some tap work with Jamar, a bit of lap running, and maybe 1 or 2 sprints, but nothing too taxing. Trengove looks to have really bulked up in upper body and legs. His chest and biceps are becoming strong and a bit chiselled. The Rehab Group It was difficult to keep tabs on this group because they kept on splitting up into mix 'n match groups and doing little drills in small, ever changing groups. Lucas Cook, Aaron Davey, Mitch Clark, Michael Evans, Ricky Petterd, Neville Jetta, Liam Jurrah, and about three others who had left by the time I began watching this group. About five of the fitness guys were with this group and had them doing approx. 100m run throughs, but they were paying particular attention to the running action. Petterd and Jetta in particular were given some specific coaching on this and Cook was given the same a bit later on. Davey, Clark and Jurrah were doing a change of direction drill that was really intense and exhausting. Davey was really focused. Clark and Jurrah seemed to coast a bit but were getting stuck in by half way through. The Main Group Glad I am not an AFL footballer being coached by this group. Repeated gut running in pairs. 1 x 300 m sprint 4 x 100 m sprint 1 x 300 m sprint 4 x 100 m sprint. Interestingly, they put Cale Morton with Jeremy Howe. Howe is clearly athletic and his running action and pace rarely changed over the 10 sprints. By the sixth sprint, Morton began to drop off and Jade Rawlings demanded that he stay on Howe's shoulder. To Morton's credit, in the last 2 sprints he busted his gut and did stay with Howe. I have to give it to him for sticking it out. Morton looks as though his body has developed but his arms are still muppet thin. Nathan Jones, Clint Bartram, Howe and James Frawley seemed to be able to keep up the intensity the best. Jared Rivers was finding it tough going with Frawley. Jamie Bennell has a lot of work to do. He was running with Bartram whose mental strength is telling when exhausted. In the last four sprints or so Bennell was dropping off approx. ten metres and some coaches were driving him to catch up. Sam Blease and Jordan Gysberts ran together, and in the last two sprints, one of the fitness guys ran with them making them try and catch the team in front. Blease has a sprint a bit like Travis Johnstone. A really long stride and he seems to be coasting but he is actually very quick. Bartram, Jones and Howe were the standouts. After the running, they had a five minute break, changed into footy boots and did some kicking/handballing drills. Simple stuff really. The interesting bit was after those drills, the 26 main group players divided in to two teams and practiced a match-like drill. To me it looked like Jade Rawlings was in charge and they were practicing how to get the ball out of defence through an opposition forward press. Our defenders would start with it about 25m out from goal and were not allowed to take it out of the corridor. First, the player who began with the ball would, each time, try and beat an opponent one-on-one. Second, they were instructed to use a pattern of one handball, one kick, one handball, one kick etc... to bring it out through half-back. Third, the midfield would pour down into this defensive zone, and a player would eventually kick it long to leading forwards who had lots of space created by the midfielders pressing into our defensive 50. I hope that is as clear in typing as it is in my mind! I watched a fair bit of the Dees training last pre-season and there are some clear differences. The number of repeat sprints is higher. A lot of clear, one-on-one specific coaching about the minute details of skill. Neil Craig might be the instigator here. Misson has very clear instructions for the warm up session. The training looks more tailored. The rehab group were focusing on running action, changing of direction, short step change of direction etc. and this went on for a lot longer than it did with Bailey. Go Dees.

I for one won't be one of those who are surprised when Jonesy turns it on next year.

Living in WA from a young age obviously doesnt offer quite as many chances to see the dees as i would like. 1st game i remember seeing was when i was 12. Round 14 1998 at Subi against the Eagles who were in much better form than us. We ended up beateing them. Robbo kicked 4, Yze played probably his best game at that point, and Viney carved too. Another game i have memories of seeing live was round 5, 2000 against Freo at the WACA. Pavlich played his 1st game that day & Modra was playing for the dockers. Afetr trailing at half time the guy came out and ended up beating them comfortably.

I have vague memories of a game in 1997 (Yes, I'm a baby compared to some of you) against the Eagles but most of my early footy memories are in 1998. A game against Essendon when they thrashed us by 60+ points and I balled my eyes out for the rest of the trip home. Meeting David Schwarz (who was injured at the time) in an elevator before a game and turning as red as a tomato while my dad politely introduced me to him and I could barely mumble a 'hello'. And Jeff Farmers screamer against the tigers (who we thrashed!) - my dad later convinced me that he was screaming "BROCCOLI" when he took the mark (because that's what gave him the strength to take marks like that) and since then I've always eaten my broccoli. Favourite Players: Gary Lyon and Matthew Febey (because we had the same name).