I think top 10 or no deal, dont want r shaw, would take heath though

As stated on another thread, I'd rather try to deal with the Eagles for their pick 13 and Ben mckinley than to assist the pies and Brisbane.

I would try and throw in Miller as well and upgrade the pick from 14 to 8.

Pick 14 is a nice pick up, and I actually rate Rhyce Shaw......we need his pace!

And we needed Wards pace. What we dont need is their disposal.

I cant say I have watched him closely enough to know but I assume his accountability would be the same? The last thing we need is another lose, bad user of the footy.

Bell, Whelan, Wheatly, Bartram, are all way ahead of him and we have Petterd, CJ, Bode, Buckley developing....no thankls

I would try and throw in Miller as well and upgrade the pick from 14 to 8.

Personally I would think about it, but we may yet be able to use Miller as part of a deal to get another first round pick altogether from Sydney. CAC would not do this, I wouldn't have thought.

Shaw is 100 times better and more accountable than ward, but id rather keep trapper than 14 and shaw.

it was strange that at the same time 2 news stations reported 2 totally different trades!

is he actually in brisbane for a medical i thought that he just returned from o/s!

i'd prefer martin clarke to r. shaw

is Rhyce the one that squibbed it in the 2003 GF?

Shaw is 100 times better and more accountable than ward, but id rather keep trapper than 14 and shaw.

Good to hear about his acountability. I wanst Shaw

But dont kid yourself, their disposal and pace are very similar. I know many pie fans that would be delighted with this.

Shaw is 100 times better and more accountable than ward, but id rather keep trapper than 14 and shaw.

I'd rather keep a Trapper that fulfills his potential, or at least strings a few consistent years together, but at 27, I just don't see it happening!

Time to move on.

Let's not kid ourselves.......either.........the key is pick 14 in this.....Shaw just gets the deal done.......he isn't a star, and if the Pies rated him highly, he wouldn't be leaving.

Shaw at his best is not a bad player. I actually admire him for the way he got his career going again after the GF incident & the knee. He doesn't add anything to our squad that we don't already have though and his kicking is questionable. Even with Brown, Ward & Godfrey gone, we still have too many players who are crap kicks. No way known should we be getting another one.

If we are to lose Johnstone, which appears likely, let it be for a player who adds to the skill level of the group. Otherwise we are cutting our nose to spite our face.

I fail to see how pick 14 is adequate compensation for Travis. An untried 18 y.o. for a player with sublime skill and the only bloke that can consistently hit a target in the fwd 50.

its obvious they just wanted to get rid of Travis, his attitude ?? l don't know why, but they just want him out

is Rhyce the one that squibbed it in the 2003 GF?

he didn't squib it, he fumbled, it was nothing to do with pulling out

Because we have him on a large contract and don't get the return on it.

I love TJ. It'll be hard to see him leave, but sometimes you wonder whether his heart is in it.

As soon as you think that about a player, its time to move on.

travis never had heart for the club. travis is lazy and a big disppointment! Shaw has the heart the size of the MCG and shaw plays for his club not for himself

Rhyce Shaw ... crazy the guy has played ... like 67 games in 7 years. Thats like under 10 a year. He is not a reliable proposition.

I would much rather take Pies 2nd round pick.

i remember one queens b'day we were down by 5 goals at half time then shaw did his knee and we came back to win easily... 2003 maybe???

he was in AA form before that knee, maybe a change of club will do him good...

i say we just take the pick 14 and bolt.

Rhys Shaw at his best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urp1sz6CKsw

I don't believe it. Round 22, we could have had picks 2, 18 and 20.... Instead we now lose probably the best footballer at the club, and get a pick only a few above what we could have had in the first place and we get another Daniel Ward as a replacement... (Harsh on Shaw, but he's not a great deal better).

We used picks 13 and 14 (Or was it 14 and 15?) a few years ago in a similarly shallow draft and we got 426 and Bell. Granted Belly is coming along, but gee just in the nick of time, and we all know the story with Smith. The Trapper trade will hurt us, and picks 4 and 14? Ho hum...

We used picks 13 and 14 (Or was it 14 and 15?) a few years ago in a similarly shallow draft and we got 426 and Bell. Granted Belly is coming along, but gee just in the nick of time, and we all know the story with Smith. The Trapper trade will hurt us, and picks 4 and 14? Ho hum...

We have had a few picks lately in the 12-16 range

We have landed Daniel Bell, Nathan Jones, Lynden Dun and Matthew Bate with these picks

Seems to be working out well for us

just heard on 3AW that deal almost done. jonno to brissy, woods to pies and reece shaw and pick 14 to dees

So looks like we are losing Travis Johnstone and Chris Johnson and gaining Rhys Shaw, pick 14 and pick 43

I like that we are colledting draft picks so Dean can pick the kinds of players he wants

I don't believe it. Round 22, we could have had picks 2, 18 and 20.... Instead we now lose probably the best footballer at the club, and get a pick only a few above what we could have had in the first place and we get another Daniel Ward as a replacement... (Harsh on Shaw, but he's not a great deal better).

We used picks 13 and 14 (Or was it 14 and 15?) a few years ago in a similarly shallow draft and we got 426 and Bell. Granted Belly is coming along, but gee just in the nick of time, and we all know the story with Smith. The Trapper trade will hurt us, and picks 4 and 14? Ho hum...

You can't be serious Dan!

Best footballer at the club?

Putting aside his kicking, he is lazy, he is uncommitted, and he has off-field issues.

Bailey wants to change the culture of the club, and it's not a minute too soon if you ask me.

We also got Jones and Frawley with picks 12, Bartram was pick 60, Petterd was a late second rounder too. Oh and Juice was something like 50??

Instead we now lose probably the best footballer at the club,

Travis is not the best footballer at the club. Certainly he has the most exquisite skills but in today's game that is not enough. His application has never, or rarely matched his talent - we have certainly not seen his best often enough. He turns 28 next year, we finished 3rd last and have an immature spine and ruck division so our Premiership window is probably going to open in 3 or 4 years by which time TJ will at the end of his career. The addition of Pick 14 gives us good flexibilty in the Top 20 and will hopefully produce a player who is in our 13th Premiership team.