After cooling down after Friday nights performance. Letting the dust settle. Appologising to the appropriate people I may have embarrased, insulted, upset. Removed items from the TV and walls. Smoothed things over with the better half. I have come to a few conclusions. Some of them you all may not agree with, but these are just the thoughts of a overly passionate Melbourne supporter who has followed the club since 1980. I was there (and cried) in 87 when Jimmy ran over the mark. There when we beat the Doggies at the Western Oval(the best win i've seen IMO).And there in 88 when we got flogged in the GF. They have been my best memories of MFC. But after what unfolded Friday night I have realised that

1. Our top 5 players do not stack up against the best teams.

2. Our leadership group (excluding Neitz) are the wrong people, But what worries me is I couldn't think of anyone who was.

3. Nice bloke but Neale has run his race. Dignified split at the end of the season please.

4. It scares me to think what will happen to the club when Neiter retires.

5. Carroll is NOT a key position player. Should be half back. Like him though.

6. Yze is still a selfish player. I love seeing him kick those miracle goals as much as the next Melb supporter, but when we are getting caned, how about a centreing kick or pick up and god forbid handball to advantage.

7. One of my favorite players of all time. A player I reckon could have been the greatest player of all time if knee injuies hadn't cruelled him, David Schwartz is a bitter, bitter man, with a huge chip on his shoulder. Did anyone take any notice of the way he stuck the knife into Danihar during the game. I've known for a while he disliked Neale(sportsman night). But the enjoyment he was trying to disguise, in our performance was sickening.

7. One of my favorite players of all time. A player I reckon could have been the greatest player of all time if knee injuies hadn't cruelled him, David Schwartz is a bitter, bitter man, with a huge chip on his shoulder. Did anyone take any notice of the way he stuck the knife into Danihar during the game. I've known for a while he disliked Neale(sportsman night). But the enjoyment he was trying to disguise, in our performance was sickening.

Can't blame him.

Hard not to be optimistic that with a new coach and more experience in our younger brigade we might actually go places.

Agree with most of the other comments but they've been said time and time again so it's hard to say much.

Is Ox bitter or has he had a point that ND can't coach. If it is the second I agree with him and it is his role in the media to say this. He loves the MFC and to see the crap we have played on the games 7 have broadcasted would upset him as much as it upsets most of us.

RDM, what is the Ox so bitter about?

Is Ox bitter or has he had a point that ND can't coach. If it is the second I agree with him and it is his role in the media to say this. He loves the MFC and to see the crap we have played on the games 7 have broadcasted would upset him as much as it upsets most of us.

There is a differance between a considered, constructive unbiased comment and a personal swipe.

RDM, what is the Ox so bitter about?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Maybe he was forced to retire by danners and thats why he is a bitter dog.

RDM, what is the Ox so bitter about?

Don't you think it was strange Ox retired half way through the 02 season when we were going to play finals. Without knowing the details, I'd say ND told him his opportunities were limited. Remember he was always getting dragged in his last 2 seasons and screaming into the phone. Hey I'm not saying who is wrong or right but get over it Ox. It only white ants the club.

Yeah RDM, I do recall the events. His career was one hell of a tough journey. Multiple knee reco's, then fighting back to be club champion'99, and then overlooked for the Captaincy etc.

Its no secret what he thinks about Daniher and where he feels the club is at.

Schwartz played under him. Compared to us, he sees things from a fairly unique perspective. You may disagree with this?

That said, I dont recall him firing any personal attacks or swipes at Daniher on friday night. He may have said he has been "outcoached by Wallace". I say thats a fair call.

fair call? it was the right call.

fair call? it was the right call.

The problem is that Daniher does not make those calls anymore.

schwarta did more for this club than Danners ever will. Show some respect and listen to the man. Bitter or not, what he says is spot on.

schwarta did more for this club than Danners ever will. Show some respect and listen to the man. Bitter or not, what he says is spot on.

Disagree there I think Danners has given his all to the club, regardless of whether he can coach or not. You can see in his face and hear in his voice how much his heart bleeds for the club and its supporters following a dispicable loss like that. I love the OX too and he gave the club plenty but no more that what Neale has.

It is still time for him to move on however.

Did anyone take any notice of the way he stuck the knife into Danihar during the game. I've known for a while he disliked Neale(sportsman night). But the enjoyment he was trying to disguise, in our performance was sickening.

What a few people haven't really understood for quite a long time is that Schwarz (btw it isn't Schwartz, as many commonly spell it) works for the media now and not the MFC. Its his job to try & say some controversial things, so like every other exfootballer who is in the media, if he can say something that will get him noticed then he'll do it.