Agree with Billings, Woey, Brown. Laurie. While McAdam has been a waste of a mid 20's pick, he should remain for his finally year just for financial reasons. The club will be bleeding $ due to Goodwin payout and possibly Oliver - we would be paying at least 60% of his contract to move him on.

Glad we kept Culley. He's a big lad, great leap and runs hard. Could easily be a tall forward or 2nd back.

Spargo is the tricky one. I like his craft and the forward line functions better when he plays, but his injuries are becoming a hinderance. Not sure of his contract status, but could give him a lower offer with game trigger incentives.

JVR is a keeper. He is judged much too hard. His development has been stunted by the terrible ball movement of the mids. He is a pure leading forward, not a 1v1. At the games I watched his leading patterns and double backs. He knows what to do, but every time the ball was held up and the lead ignored. The ball ended up on his head as he was doubling back resulting in 1v1. He's a great kick, and will only get stronger as he fills out. Only 22.

3 minutes ago, Chadda79 said:

Agree with Billings, Woey, Brown. Laurie. While McAdam has been a waste of a mid 20's pick, he should remain for his finally year just for financial reasons. The club will be bleeding $ due to Goodwin payout and possibly Oliver - we would be paying at least 60% of his contract to move him on.

Glad we kept Culley. He's a big lad, great leap and runs hard. Could easily be a tall forward or 2nd back.

Spargo is the tricky one. I like his craft and the forward line functions better when he plays, but his injuries are becoming a hinderance. Not sure of his contract status, but could give him a lower offer with game trigger incentives.

JVR is a keeper. He is judged much too hard. His development has been stunted by the terrible ball movement of the mids. He is a pure leading forward, not a 1v1. At the games I watched his leading patterns and double backs. He knows what to do, but every time the ball was held up and the lead ignored. The ball ended up on his head as he was doubling back resulting in 1v1. He's a great kick, and will only get stronger as he fills out. Only 22.

Agree with most of what you've said. I think there is a 50/50 chance that McAdam 'retires' Hunter style (basically a settlement/contract payout to open the list spot.)

Oliver is going to be going nowhere. Had better form the last few weeks and very little external interest. I'd back him in for a big preseason.

Culley probably is more of a tall winger than a 2nd back or key forward. However I could also see him playing as a 2nd/3rd forward who can leap and clunk big marks.

Spargo is an unrestricted free agent, so basically if the club decides to not delist him, the ball is in his court. Once again though, I wouldn't think there would be much external interest, could come down to the new coaches preference.

JVR just needs a big pre-season with better inside 50 entries next year. I have him locked in for 30+ goals next year barring any serious injury.

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, Turner, Bowey

C: Culley, Rivers, Langford

HF: Petracca, Petty, Chandler

F: Fritsch, Kemp, Melksham

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Lindsay, Langdon, Oliver, Windsor

SUB: Rosas

Casey

B: Berry, Adams, Derksen

HB: Howes, McDonald, Moniz-Wakefield

C: Sinnema, Laurie, ?

HF: Sharp, Johnson, Mentha

F: McAdam, Kentfield, Jefferson

FOLL: Heath, Tholstrup, Sparrow

IC: Verrall, White, ?

IN: Derksen, Heath, White, Sinnema, Kemp, Rosas, Draft pick, Rookie pick

OUT: van Rooyen, Spargo, Billings, Hore, Campbell, Fullerton, Sestan, Woewodin, Brown, Henderson

ROOKIES: Culley, Moniz-Wakefield, Kentfield, Verrall, ?

ROOKIE B: Berry, Mentha

Edited August 27Aug 27 by WERRIDEE

@WERRIDEE out - JVR??? 😭😭😭

Kemp ?? At full forward 😭😭😭

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

@WERRIDEE out - JVR??? 😭😭😭

Kemp ?? At full forward 😭😭😭

I've changed my list management strategy. Whoever is contracted stays whoever isn't goes so for the time being McVee is out.

B: Lever, May, Howes

HB: Salem, Turner, Bowey

C: Culley, Rivers, Langford

HF: Petracca, Petty, Chandler

F: Fritsch, van Rooyen, Melksham

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

SUB: Sparrow

B: Berry, Adams, Derksen

HB: Moniz-Wakefield, McDonald, ?

C: Sinnema, Laurie, ?

HF: Sharp, Johnson, Mentha

F: McAdam, Kentfield, Jefferson

FOLL: Heath, Tholstrup, ?

IC: White, ?, ?

Heath, Derksen, White and Sinnema have been linked to us if anyone else gets linked I'll put them in same as if anyone out of contract gets a contract then I'll put them in.

23 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Heath, Derksen, White and Sinnema have been linked to us if anyone else gets linked I'll put them in same as if anyone out of contract gets a contract then I'll put them in.

i would hope we're done with bringing in players from other clubs to play in the 2nds

it's poor list management

After the Elimination final I will do another edition.

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, Turner, Bowey

C: Culley (a), Rivers, Langford

HF: Petracca, Petty, Chandler

F: Fritsch, Kentfield (a), Melksham

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Lindsay, Langdon, Oliver, Windsor

SUB: Tholstrup

Casey

B: Howes, Adams, Derksen

HB: Moniz-Wakefield (a), McDonald, Sestan (a)

C: Sinnema, Laurie, round 2 pick

HF: Sharp, Johnson, Mentha (b)

F: McAdam, van Rooyen, Jefferson

FOLL: Heath, Sparrow, Rookie pick

IC: White, Berry (b), Rookie pick

If Heath comes in there's no need for Campbell.

I'm not sure how we can get a seasoned key forward unless we don't go for Derksen and\or McVee doesn't sign.

On 27/08/2025 at 11:31, Jaded No More said:

So the reporter read Demonland. Understood.

Journalism at its worst. We're passionate but not always right. We at domonland don't know the analytics at training or the injuries the players are carrying.

When I last went to training which was recent they had drones flying over, gps monitors on the players and heart.mlnotors on them

It's not an exact science but you have to back in what we are doing. We don't have half the team out like Essendon.

We will have a fresh start next year

On 27/08/2025 at 21:15, WERRIDEE said:

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, Turner, Bowey

C: Culley, Rivers, Langford

HF: Petracca, Petty, Chandler

F: Fritsch, Kemp, Melksham

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Lindsay, Langdon, Oliver, Windsor

SUB: Rosas

Casey

B: Berry, Adams, Derksen

HB: Howes, McDonald, Moniz-Wakefield

C: Sinnema, Laurie, ?

HF: Sharp, Johnson, Mentha

F: McAdam, Kentfield, Jefferson

FOLL: Heath, Tholstrup, Sparrow

IC: Verrall, White, ?

IN: Derksen, Heath, White, Sinnema, Kemp, Rosas, Draft pick, Rookie pick

OUT: van Rooyen, Spargo, Billings, Hore, Campbell, Fullerton, Sestan, Woewodin, Brown, Henderson

ROOKIES: Culley, Moniz-Wakefield, Kentfield, Verrall, ?

ROOKIE B: Berry, Mentha

If that’s our team in Round one next year we’ll finish in the VFL. Kemp FFS!! If we recruit him as our FF I’m never going to the football again. Please enough already!

8 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

If that’s our team in Round one next year we’ll finish in the VFL. Kemp FFS!! If we recruit him as our FF I’m never going to the football again. Please enough already!

Not a fan of Kemp?

On 23/08/2025 at 21:03, spirit of norm smith said:

@whatwhat say what given you want to keep Fullarton, what’s your proposed changes? To free up the 6 or 7 list vacancies as needed?

if we lose all of the following:

• mcvee

• billings

• hore (rookie)

• verrall (rookie)

• fullarton

• woey 2.0

• pup brown (rookie)

• henderson (rookie)

then that's 4 senior listed players and 4 rookies moved on

hopefully mcvee stays, and it'd be 3 and 4

presumably kalani white and toby sinnema, plus potentially noah yze, come on as rookie list players at this stage

that means we'd go to the draft with 3-4 picks available, plus 1 rookie spot, if we don't upgrade culley, kentfield, sestan, or mentha to the senior list, which i don't think we have to do under current rules

25 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

if we lose all of the following:

• mcvee

• billings

• hore (rookie)

• verrall (rookie)

• fullarton

• woey 2.0

• pup brown (rookie)

• henderson (rookie)

then that's 4 senior listed players and 4 rookies moved on

hopefully mcvee stays, and it'd be 3 and 4

presumably kalani white and toby sinnema, plus potentially noah yze, come on as rookie list players at this stage

that means we'd go to the draft with 3-4 picks available, plus 1 rookie spot, if we don't upgrade culley, kentfield, sestan, or mentha to the senior list, which i don't think we have to do under current rules

I doubt White and Sinnema will be rookied. They are supposed to be picked mid range in the draft. Remember we are only allowed to have 6 rookies we currently have 8 due to the inclusion of Henderson and Culley.

Edited Saturday at 13:455 days by WERRIDEE

31 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

I doubt White and Sinnema will be rookied. They are supposed to be picked mid range in the draft. Remember we are only allowed to have 6 rookies we currently have 8 due to the inclusion of Henderson and Culley.

all will be revealed by december i guess

In the draft I would go for Ludowyke, if not Ludowyke then Dovastan or McCarthy. For the rookie draft I'd go for Cross and Yze.

On 13/06/2025 at 15:07, DistrACTION Jackson said:

These days anything over 3 is a bag in my mind.

Has kicked 5, 3, 3, 3 & 4 in 5 of their games this year.

I'm also not advocating to go for him btw, just making a point about how many small/mid sized forwards the Giants have on their list.

No way in hell is three a bag. Six is always a bag. Players still kick em yet we play the 'oh it's too hard so we'll lower the threshold' so we can use the term 'bag'. Five and under is a handful.

Bailey Laurie is a tough one.

He’s contracted so likely he stays on.

We must give him some real games. He was clearly BOG v Williamstown in the VFL final yesterday. Perhaps the pace is not the same as the AFL and that’s where he gets caught out. But he makes good decisions and is skilled on left and right foot. It’s a tough one.

4 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Bailey Laurie is a tough one.

He’s contracted so likely he stays on.

We must give him some real games. He was clearly BOG v Williamstown in the VFL final yesterday. Perhaps the pace is not the same as the AFL and that’s where he gets caught out. But he makes good decisions and is skilled on left and right foot. It’s a tough one.

Hmm. He used to look good coming on as sub towards the end of the game.

6 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Bailey Laurie is a tough one.

He’s contracted so likely he stays on.

We must give him some real games. He was clearly BOG v Williamstown in the VFL final yesterday. Perhaps the pace is not the same as the AFL and that’s where he gets caught out. But he makes good decisions and is skilled on left and right foot. It’s a tough one.

he just isn't a midfielder at the next level but seems unwilling to try something different to make the jump, its either that high HF sparrow/sharp role that we're crying out for (hello pre agent zac bailey please) or lockdown defender (seems zippy enough and is definitely tough enough think liam stocker and how his career has changed)

On will verrall, i see little point persevering with him given s he can't usurp campbell. My case is this, looking around the comp at developing rucks the ones that stand out to me are Lachie Smith (WBD) and Nick Madden (GWS) who are good case studies compared to Verrall.

Smith 19yo 203cm - VFL avgs: 14.5 touches, 2.2 marks, 4.4 tackles, 34.2 hitouts

Madden 21yo 204cm - VFL avgs: 19.4 touches 3.8 marks, 3.7 tackles, 31.4 hitouts

Verrall - 21yo 199cm - VFL avgs: 12.9 touches, 1.4 marks, 2.5 tackles, 16.6 hitouts

we need to cut our losses and go again here, I'm not sure this years rucks are highly ranked but verrall is undersized and not impacting either in contest or around the ground which is concerning i think it is really obvious after even 12 months if you have found a ruckman who has an afl level ceiling or not and maybe we hedged our bets that he could be a FF but he isn't hitting the scoreboard either.

21 minutes ago, Turner said:

On will verrall, i see little point persevering with him given s he can't usurp campbell. My case is this, looking around the comp at developing rucks the ones that stand out to me are Lachie Smith (WBD) and Nick Madden (GWS) who are good case studies compared to Verrall.

Smith 19yo 203cm - VFL avgs: 14.5 touches, 2.2 marks, 4.4 tackles, 34.2 hitouts

Madden 21yo 204cm - VFL avgs: 19.4 touches 3.8 marks, 3.7 tackles, 31.4 hitouts

Verrall - 21yo 199cm - VFL avgs: 12.9 touches, 1.4 marks, 2.5 tackles, 16.6 hitouts

we need to cut our losses and go again here, I'm not sure this years rucks are highly ranked but verrall is undersized and not impacting either in contest or around the ground which is concerning i think it is really obvious after even 12 months if you have found a ruckman who has an afl level ceiling or not and maybe we hedged our bets that he could be a FF but he isn't hitting the scoreboard either.

in fairness to him, when tc has been dominant verrall has barely got on the field as we have have tall forward options

when campbell hasn't been the starting vfl ruckman, he's been okay

not great...but okay

On 31/08/2025 at 20:25, Turner said:

On will verrall, i see little point persevering with him given s he can't usurp campbell. My case is this, looking around the comp at developing rucks the ones that stand out to me are Lachie Smith (WBD) and Nick Madden (GWS) who are good case studies compared to Verrall.

Smith 19yo 203cm - VFL avgs: 14.5 touches, 2.2 marks, 4.4 tackles, 34.2 hitouts

Madden 21yo 204cm - VFL avgs: 19.4 touches 3.8 marks, 3.7 tackles, 31.4 hitouts

Verrall - 21yo 199cm - VFL avgs: 12.9 touches, 1.4 marks, 2.5 tackles, 16.6 hitouts

we need to cut our losses and go again here, I'm not sure this years rucks are highly ranked but verrall is undersized and not impacting either in contest or around the ground which is concerning i think it is really obvious after even 12 months if you have found a ruckman who has an afl level ceiling or not and maybe we hedged our bets that he could be a FF but he isn't hitting the scoreboard either.

You should go back and watch the games where he played against Madden and Smith.

I would say he won both of those battles.

Mismanagement

On 31/08/2025 at 20:55, Turner said:

On will verrall, i see little point persevering with him given s he can't usurp campbell. My case is this, looking around the comp at developing rucks the ones that stand out to me are Lachie Smith (WBD) and Nick Madden (GWS) who are good case studies compared to Verrall.

Smith 19yo 203cm - VFL avgs: 14.5 touches, 2.2 marks, 4.4 tackles, 34.2 hitouts

Madden 21yo 204cm - VFL avgs: 19.4 touches 3.8 marks, 3.7 tackles, 31.4 hitouts

Verrall - 21yo 199cm - VFL avgs: 12.9 touches, 1.4 marks, 2.5 tackles, 16.6 hitouts

we need to cut our losses and go again here, I'm not sure this years rucks are highly ranked but verrall is undersized and not impacting either in contest or around the ground which is concerning i think it is really obvious after even 12 months if you have found a ruckman who has an afl level ceiling or not and maybe we hedged our bets that he could be a FF but he isn't hitting the scoreboard either.

Kalani White will take his place.