Season 2024 Over for Clayton Oliver

[Jaded No More 68,975]

2 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Don’t mean to go all Karen on everyone’s @ss but does this not qualify as an unsubstantiated rumour? Or that’s not a thing anymore 🤷‍♀️ 

To be fair Goodwindees has years of impeccable sources and a good track record. He’s not some random who signed up today to post trash. 
 

I think we are all just feeling trade fatigue at this point and it’s not even trade week yet 

[Deelectable 1,043]

34 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

Let me say very clearly that the Dees are not shopping Clayton, but they have been asked if 2 first rounders would get it done, and I believe it wasn’t totally shut down / dismissed. 
 

Talk about 50 cents each way🤣

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3 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Don’t mean to go all Karen on everyone’s @ss but does this not qualify as an unsubstantiated rumour? Or that’s not a thing anymore 🤷‍♀️ 

I think the difference here is that the rumour is not potentially libellous.

[BLWNBA 1,436]

2 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

Clarry has put in a HUGE amount of work and has categorically bought into the club. His commitment to change, self-improvement and betterment is absolutely genuine. 
 

Clarry has had a huge amount of resources expended on him, which has been seen as a mutual commitment from both club and player alike. 
 

I can understand that players are regularly discussed, but I really hope this hasn’t (doesn’t) damage the relationship and trust that has improved tenfold, between Oliver and the club. 

Quoting myself as it does seem this situation has legs. 

Might need to keep a watching brief on this situation…

[BLWNBA 1,436]

8 minutes ago, Deelectable said:

That's exactly what it is WCW. Laughable. 

Source? 

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Just now, Jaded No More said:

To be fair Goodwindees has years of impeccable sources and a good track record. He’s not some random who signed up today to post trash. 
 

I think we are all just feeling trade fatigue at this point and it’s not even trade week yet 

I get that. But an unsubstantiated rumour is an unsubstantiated rumour regardless of who posts it. No disrespect to Goodwindees but shouldn’t it be one rule across the board?

This only serves to exacerbate the trade fatigue that we’re all already experiencing. 

[Deelectable 1,043]

Just now, BLWNBA said:

Source? 

Having half a brain. Oh, club listening to offers for Oliver but he will almost definitely stay. Just embarrassing.  You could say that about hundreds of AFL players.

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9 minutes ago, deanox said:

I'm not sure of the exact wording, but I think an unsubstantiated trade rumours are different than an unsubstantiated rumour about personal health, illegal behviour, or other type of statement that could be considered libel.

Dagnabbit I shoulda read the fine print.

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1 minute ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I get that. But an unsubstantiated rumour is an unsubstantiated rumour regardless of who posts it. No disrespect to Goodwindees but shouldn’t it be one rule across the board?

This only serves to exacerbate the trade fatigue that we’re all already experiencing. 

Spot on WCW. It's just tedious an people wanting to big note their 'connections'. Boorish. 

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Just now, WalkingCivilWar said:

I get that. But an unsubstantiated rumour is an unsubstantiated rumour regardless of who posts it. No disrespect to Goodwindees but shouldn’t it be one rule across the board?

This only serves to exacerbate the trade fatigue that we’re all already experiencing. 

Trade rumours won’t get this site into legal trouble, nor are they slanderous towards anyone so I guess it’s not necessary to have them verified before they get posted. 

In normal seasons, trade rumors keep this board spicy. But I understand why it’s not a fun read these days. 

 

[BLWNBA 1,436]

1 minute ago, Deelectable said:

Spot on WCW. It's just tedious a people wanting to big note their 'connections'. Boorish. 

Source? 

[DEE fence 5,045]

46 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

Let me say very clearly that the Dees are not shopping Clayton, but they have been asked if 2 first rounders would get it done, and I believe it wasn’t totally shut down / dismissed. 
 

Am glad you clarified that the club is not shopping him around. Out of curiosity does this news come since the ALF announced future picks from 2 years out can be traded?

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Just now, DEE fence said:

Am glad you clarified that the club is not shopping him around. Out of curiosity does this news come since the ALF announced future picks from 2 years out can be traded?

[Deelectable 1,043]

2 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

Source? 

Worcestershire 

[640MD 3,490]

Ok just when the Dee’s were off the media ****sheet.  Some assss whole wants to put us back.   Give me a break

[Ollie fan 3,622]

Let's use our brains. To GET him a club would have to offer at least two low first-rounders and take over all his salary. Who is going to do that at this stage of his career? On the other hand, we have invested a great deal of effort into helping a player who has been one of the top 5 or so players EVER to play for Melbourne, and who is now totally committed to repaying the club for that. 
 

It won't happen. And if WCW is right and players read this garbage, that would be a terrible thing for his mental health and recovery.

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2 minutes ago, DEE fence said:

Am glad you clarified that the club is not shopping him around. Out of curiosity does this news come since the ALF announced future picks from 2 years out can be traded?

That doesn’t come into affect until next year. 

[Deelectable 1,043]

1 minute ago, 640MD said:

Ok just when the Dee’s were off the media ****sheet.  Some assss whole wants to put us back.   Give me a break

Very well spoken.  Careful though. We wouldn't want to upset those who idolise 'well respected posters'. 

[Deelectable 1,043]

3 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

Let's use our brains. To GET him a club would have to offer at least two low first-rounders and take over all his salary. Who is going to do that at this stage of his career? On the other hand, we have invested a great deal of effort into helping a player who has been one of the top 5 or so players EVER to play for Melbourne, and who is now totally committed to repaying the club for that. 
 

It won't happen. And if WCW is right and players read this garbage, that would be a terrible thing for his mental health and recovery.

Let's hope players like Clarry don't read this drivel. Even if this were true not sure of the motivation of a 'supporter' who would post this at this time.

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14 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

Clarry has put in a HUGE amount of work and has categorically bought into the club. His commitment to change, self-improvement and betterment is absolutely genuine. 
 

Clarry has had a huge amount of resources expended on him, which has been seen as a mutual commitment from both club and player alike. 
 

I can understand that players are regularly discussed, but I really hope this hasn’t (doesn’t) damage the relationship and trust that has improved tenfold, between Oliver and the club. 

It would take something monumental to undo what both Clarrie and the club have established in terms of a common goal. Like, something of biblical proportions.

Clarrie is eternally grateful for all the hard work and resources afforded him by the club, likewise the club is grateful that Clarrie is giving it everything he’s got and that he is ‘extremely loyal’ to use Goody’s own words.

So yeah, maybe another club has asked the question, maybe several have. But imho Clarrie is staying put at a club that he acknowledges has done so much for him and that has great belief in him. 

[BLWNBA 1,436]

2 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

Let's use our brains. To GET him a club would have to offer at least two low first-rounders and take over all his salary. Who is going to do that at this stage of his career? On the other hand, we have invested a great deal of effort into helping a player who has been one of the top 5 or so players EVER to play for Melbourne, and who is now totally committed to repaying the club for that. 
 

It won't happen. And if WCW is right and players read this garbage, that would be a terrible thing for his mental health and recovery.

To be fair, we’ve shown that we’re prepared to move players on even when they’re ’high profile’, if we did trade Oliver I don’t think it would be extremely surprising (i.e., Watts, Hogan, Grundy). 

Regarding the second point, what has been posted isn’t disparaging; and let’s not use a sliding scope argument in an effort to dictate behaviour. I’m not suggesting the forum should turn into an unmitigated free-for-all, but this is so far from something that needs to be curtailed or censored. 

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1 minute ago, BLWNBA said:

To be fair, we’ve shown that we’re prepared to move players on even when they’re ’high profile’, if we did trade Oliver I don’t think it would be extremely surprising (i.e., Watts, Hogan, Grundy). 

 

3 very different scenarios but I take your point

Also none of the 3 you mentioned achieved even a smidge of what Clarry has in red and blue. 

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1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

How does Clarry feel about this? I doubt he would want to leave. 
Two first rounders seems well under unless they’re firmly within the top 10. 
 

If we trade Clarry we are admitting that we are rebuilding. Window will be firmly shut. 

I think we are in rebuilding phase. I would seriously look at a good offer. 

[BLWNBA 1,436]

2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

3 very different scenarios but I take your point

Also none of the 3 you mentioned achieved even a smidge of what Clarry has in red and blue. 

Don’t disagree with your points at all. Was more just high-lighting that at the trade table we’ve historically been prepared to make some very big calls (granted, I agree that all three were for very different reasons though and with varying returns). 
 

Also clarifying my comments around it be not all surprising we’re in reference to the disposition of us, as a club, at the trade table - not an expectation it will occur.

Edited September 5, 2024 by BLWNBA

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