The real state of the game

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

35 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Agree the stand rule is a joke players are not even brought back over the mark now, the ruck rule where two guys maul each other is a joke, umpires calling out who going up in the ruck is a joke, and I would have one more 25 metres kick instead of what we have now.

You mean not even brought back over 'the mark they are setting themselves'!

Stand rule is and always was a complete farce about 4 to 6 months after its introduction.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,216]

4 hours ago, loges said:

There's still too much confirmation bias in the umpiring and has been for ages. Media darling, big cub, benefit of the doubt far too often 

Gee I wonder why? Perhaps that filters down to them from above, ie different clubs held to different standards by the AFL, different clubs given priority in things like fixturing, payments outside the cap, academy picks etc, different clubs/players held to different standards at the tribunal etc

The game is run in an extremely amateur manner and by that I don't mean the lack of money I mean it's still run like a suburban comp with vested interests playing favourites.

[Guest]

Another journo calling it out

Sorry didn’t realise it’s behind a paywall. 

Edited June 17 by WalkingCivilWar

[demon3165 2,718]

11 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

This is not about my Job

This is about holding Umpires accountable to do a better job 

I ask you would you like it if your boss did that if front of people to answer for mistakes made, you said if I was paid enough but I then asked if you weren't would you like it, it appears not as you don't want to answer it but that's OK.

 

[demon3165 2,718]

16 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

You mean not even brought back over 'the mark they are setting themselves'!

Stand rule is and always was a complete farce about 4 to 6 months after its introduction.

No agree players with the ball sometimes stand 2 - 3 metres from the man on the mark that's a joke.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,216]

4 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I’m just curious about why no others in the media will call this out 

AFL will revoke the accreditation of journos who don't toe the party line

https://www.afl.com.au/news/126891/afl-considers-accreditation-ban-of-the-make-up-media

[demon3165 2,718]

4 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Another journo calling it out

Sorry didn’t realise it’s behind a paywall. 

lmfao that clown, I would love the umpires come out and say we are not umpiring this week and see what the media and supporters do.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,216]

3 hours ago, demon3165 said:

Rubbish, how many players miss from 30 and lose close games, is that the umpires fault is it, no game will be perfectly umpired and there will be mistakes full stop so what's the answer to umpire a perfect game then and don't tell me video recall we have a unique game people need to stop sulking over it.

You're comparing skill errors to umpiring decisions 😵‍💫

And don't give me this garbage "players make poor decisions too" yes players are competing, umpires are adjudicating - it is a completely different level of pressure.

Edited June 17 by Dr. Gonzo

[Sir Why You Little 37,036]

8 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

I ask you would you like it if your boss did that if front of people to answer for mistakes made, you said if I was paid enough but I then asked if you weren't would you like it, it appears not as you don't want to answer it but that's OK.

 

If i was going to be under public scrutiny for the quality of my work. I would want Top Dollar. 
So i believe The AFL Umpires should be paid Top Dollar, and be accountable after the Game

[demon3165 2,718]

 

The thing is nothing is going to change this week next week, so people should just move on enjoy the game .

[demon3165 2,718]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

You're comparing skill errors to umpiring decisions 😵‍💫

And don't give me this garbage "players make poor decisions too" yes players are competing, umpires are adjudicating - it is a completely different level of pressure.

Umpires pay it as they see it, and that will continue no matter how people complain about it.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,216]

1 hour ago, demon3165 said:

And all you do is moan about it what is that going to solve.

Supporter dissatisfaction will place pressure on the AFL to fix the issue, especially if it is actually voiced in the media and not shouted down by the AFL mouthpieces like Whateley.

If it doesn't the AFL risks supporter disengagement which will lead to lower attendances and lower viewers which will mean upset sponsors/broadcasters and less money in the AFL's pockets. Maybe that will force them to change to.

Saying "nothing will change, stop whingeing" is such a facile argument. For someone who doesn't care much and tells others to stop whingeing you certainly seem to post enough on here. I think you care a bit more than you're letting on.

[demon3165 2,718]

9 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

If i was going to be under public scrutiny for the quality of my work. I would want Top Dollar. 
So i believe The AFL Umpires should be paid Top Dollar, and be accountable after the Game

So they get up there and say oh yeah I missed that one the games over do you want to punish them for it?

[Jjrogan 1,420]

There needs to be different metres awarded for different infractions. That ump knew that was a 50 but he hesitated, knowing it would potentially mean a goal.  And the moment was lost. The stand rule or zoning infraction should be a 25 metre penalty.

The team with the ball would get to keep the ball moving and can play on quick further up the ground but not get a shot on goal from the wing from what is essentially a random decision.  

[rjay 24,928]

16 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

AFL will revoke the accreditation of journos who don't toe the party line

https://www.afl.com.au/news/126891/afl-considers-accreditation-ban-of-the-make-up-media

That was interesting...

...but who decides if a story is a fabrication?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,216]

Just now, demon3165 said:

Umpires pay it as they see it, and that will continue no matter how people complain about it.

They see blatant indiscretions and don't pay them, how do you account for that? They are far too easily swayed by parochial crowds and umpire different players to different standards (ie the superstar tax which is clear as day). You then also have different umpires interpreting rules differently which then is another cause of inconsistency.

You have rules in the books which are only sometimes paid eg "dissent" rule. Earlier in the year you could argue it cost Freo a game, similar last year in the Blues/GWS game - yet in most other games there is blatant dissent from players that goes unpunished. Why? It is either a rule or it is not, if it is a rule pay it. Otherwise it will get paid 1 time in a thousand at a critical moment and cost a team who will rightly be furious when the other 999 don't get paid.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

23 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

AFL will revoke the accreditation of journos who don't toe the party line

https://www.afl.com.au/news/126891/afl-considers-accreditation-ban-of-the-make-up-media

That's 7 years ago.  Imagine how much  further down the corruption track HQ would be now!

And then there's this little ditty of an excerpt.  Look away SWY!...

McLachlan said on Friday: "I actually thought [Buckley's suggestion] was quite a good idea.  

"There's a responsibility everywhere, our players, coaches, officials, everyone's held incredibly accountable every day.

Edited June 17 by Demon Dynasty

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

4 hours ago, demon3165 said:

Time for the AFL to limit interchange to 32-40 a game and that will slow the game down and when fatigue sets in it won't be as quick and easier to umpire.

That won’t happen until right after the point we have a full list rebuild to suit the current game. Then the limited interchanges will come in and the game will change back to stoppage and contest. 

[demon3165 2,718]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Supporter dissatisfaction will place pressure on the AFL to fix the issue, especially if it is actually voiced in the media and not shouted down by the AFL mouthpieces like Whateley.

If it doesn't the AFL risks supporter disengagement which will lead to lower attendances and lower viewers which will mean upset sponsors/broadcasters and less money in the AFL's pockets. Maybe that will force them to change to.

Saying "nothing will change, stop whingeing" is such a facile argument. For someone who doesn't care much and tells others to stop whingeing you certainly seem to post enough on here. I think you care a bit more than you're letting on.

I just not a fan of people who like to abuse people who are out there doing a difficult job to their best of their ability and except for a couple have not offered one idea on how to eliminate wrong decisions.

These same people only probably know one thing to say at the football and that's BALL.

As for saying lower attendances that won't happen, if you want to fix the problem stop letting coaches have an input and as I said earlier 10 interchanges a quarter slow the game down would be a start.

[rjay 24,928]

14 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Umpires pay it as they see it, and that will continue no matter how people complain about it.

Agree...

...and there will always be mistakes made by umpires as they are human after all, and by nature imperfect.

Same goes for the arc.

...and fans will always complain & see things differently, the confirmation bias of my side being the right side.

The rules will always have grey areas, it's the nature of the game.

...but, we should still want continuous improvement from the umpires as well as all parts of the game.

Along your lines of thinking & I agree we shouldn't let it ruin our love & enjoyment of the game.

...although it has nearly cost me the odd TV.

Edited June 17 by rjay

[Dr. Gonzo 24,216]

1 hour ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Exactly! There is no big deal about it. But it got a ridiculous amount of attention on the socials. They even launched a debate on affection in the workplace. Ridiculous when the more pressing issues are being ignored. 

Kind of a microcosm of society in general 😉

[demon3165 2,718]

12 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

There needs to be different metres awarded for different infractions. That ump knew that was a 50 but he hesitated, knowing it would potentially mean a goal.  And the moment was lost. The stand rule or zoning infraction should be a 25 metre penalty.

The team with the ball would get to keep the ball moving and can play on quick further up the ground but not get a shot on goal from the wing from what is essentially a random decision.  

Interesting could go with that.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,216]

1 minute ago, demon3165 said:

I just not a fan of people who like to abuse people who are out there doing a difficult job to their best of their ability and except for a couple have not offered one idea on how to eliminate wrong decisions.

These same people only probably know one thing to say at the football and that's BALL.

As for saying lower attendances that won't happen, if you want to fix the problem stop letting coaches have an input and as I said earlier 10 interchanges a quarter slow the game down would be a start.

Holding people accountable is not abuse.

Who says lower attendances won't happen? Even if attendances don't drop due to club allegiance viewership most certainly could drop as people become disengaged with neutral games. How many people on here have said they rarely watch games other than Melbourne? And these are diehard supporters that bother posting on a footy forum.

The AFL will cook the goose that laid the golden egg if they are not careful.

[demon3165 2,718]

8 minutes ago, rjay said:

Agree...

...and there will always be mistakes made by umpires as they are human after all, and by nature imperfect.

Same goes for the arc.

...and fans will always complain & see things differently, the confirmation bias of my side being the right side.

The rules will always have grey areas, it's the nature of the game.

...but, we should still want continuous improvement from the umpires as well as all parts of the game.

Along your lines of thinking & I agree we shouldn't let it ruin our love & enjoyment of the game.

...although it has nearly cost me the odd TV.

Agree but the AFL wanted to make the game quicker coaches now make it a pack mentality, slow the game down would be a start.

Edited June 17 by demon3165

[demon3165 2,718]

Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

Holding people accountable is not abuse.

Who says lower attendances won't happen? Even if attendances don't drop due to club allegiance viewership most certainly could drop as people become disengaged with neutral games. How many people on here have said they rarely watch games other than Melbourne? And these are diehard supporters that bother posting on a footy forum.

The AFL will cook the goose that laid the golden egg if they are not careful.

So how are going to hold them accountable then drop them there's not enough of them to do that.