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43 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Bar Rivers entre' into the midfield and the progress of Windsor there hasn't been much to get excited about this season DZ.

70.5 is a big team rating for the Dogs and roughly where we were at in some matches in 2021.  We averaged 67.2 in the H&A season that year and posted a 69.5 in the GF

Daniels, with only 19% game time, pretty much matched the ratings of our two key small forwards in Pickett & Chandler!

Obviously they probably didn't get the service with inside 50s but regardless, we are nowhere near the level both in a form and a work rate sense since Round 9 vs the Blues which was three months ago now.

Combined Ratings

Player Rating Rank
M Bontempelli 6.200 1
A Treloar 5.800 2
B Dale 4.850 3
T Rivers 4.625 4
R Lobb 4.300 5
L Bramble 4.300 5
J Bowey 4.275 7
C Poulter 4.125 8
M Gawn 4.100 9
B Williams 4.075 10
T English 4.000 11
T Liberatore < 63% 3.725 12
J U-Hagan 3.500 13
C Weightman 3.125 14
R Garcia 3.050 15
C Oliver 2.975 16
T Sparrow 2.950 17
Sam Darcy 2.750 18
L Jones 2.650 19
Ed Langdon 2.525 20
Ed Richards 2.475 21
J V Rooyen 2.425 22
K Tholstrup 2.300 23
L Vandermeer 2.200 24
J McVee 2.200 24
J Lever 2.150 26
B Howes 1.925 27
A N-Bullen 1.875 28
Jack Viney 1.850 29
R West 1.850 29
S May < 40% 1.800 31
H Petty 1.800 31
B Khamis 1.750 33
A Naughton 1.600 34
T Duryea 1.600 34
T McDonald 1.525 36
T Woewodin 1.500 37
K Chandler 1.475 38
K Pickett 1.475 38
C Daniel > 19% 1.425 40
A M-Wakefield 1.300 41
B Fritsch 1.225 42
N Coffield 1.150 43
L McNeil 1.100 44
D Turner > 51% 0.575 45
J Melksham 0.250 46

What and absolute thrashing

 
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2 hours ago, layzie said:

Like so many other hidden stats they have 'locked away' in their safe.

So annoying and I'm convinced they have a deal with the broadcasters so those of us who like stats will still listen to carp commentary and media shows. 

It's one big money making circus now L.

This stuff used to annoy me as well but over the years i've slowly learned to switch off.

Their decision making is mostly driven by that and has been for many decades now.

The same goes for the rule interpretations but that still gets to me as i feel it often changes momentum and the outcome of some games.  Probably for the same reasons above 😅

5 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

It's one big money making circus now L.

This stuff used to annoy me as well but over the years i've slowly learned to switch off.

Their decision making is mostly driven by that and has been for many decades now.

The same goes for the rule interpretations but that still gets to me as i feel it often changes momentum and the outcome of some games.  Probably for the same reasons above 😅

Yeah no point being triggered by anything they do, I still don't know why so many in the other threads allow themselves to be constantly outraged week after week. 

The stats thing doesn't make much sense though. Depending on the price, I would absolutely be open to a paid subscription for premium level statistics. Would there be enough demand for such a product? Not sure, but I would!

 

 
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3 minutes ago, layzie said:

Yeah no point being triggered by anything they do, I still don't know why so many in the other threads allow themselves to be constantly outraged week after week. 

The stats thing doesn't make much sense though. Depending on the price, I would absolutely be open to a paid subscription for premium level statistics. Would there be enough demand for such a product? Not sure, but I would!

 

Champion's no doubt targeted their business at corporates (broadcasters)  and clubs L.

Obviously the prices they're getting from them are in a diff league to anything you & i could afford.

But they could also possibly tier their packages and give a bit to the punters without giving all of the really core / key stuff away that they'd need to reserve for the corporates.

Unfortunately the punter is left having to listen / watch the 'experts' picking their way through and choosing from the best available stuff.  Some of which involves more $$ being forked out by the punter for shows on fox & Kayo (if they want).

2 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Champion's no doubt targeted their business at corporates (broadcasters)  and clubs L.

Obviously the prices they're getting from them are in a diff league to anything you & i could afford.

But they could also possibly tier their packages and give a bit to the punters without giving all of the really core / key stuff away that they'd need to reserve for the corporates.

Unfortunately the punter is left having to listen / watch the 'experts' picking their way through and choosing from the best available stuff.  Some of which involves more $$ being forked out by the punter for shows on fox & Kayo (if they want).

Yeah just something like that where you can access a bit more. It just seems at the moment like there are more useful stats that you just can't access and more useless stats like fantasy or dream team points. 

But it is clear how the system works, not a massive deal. 


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Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 21, 2024 vs H&A Season 2023

Player 2024 Rating 2024 Rank 2023 Rating % Change vs 2023 2023 Rank Change in Rank vs 2023
C Petracca 4.476 1 4.707 -4.9 2 1
Max Gawn < 4.106 2 3.350 22.6 7 5
Steven May 3.741 3 3.213 16.4 8 5
T Rivers 3.484 4 3.696 -5.7 5 1
C Oliver 3.464 5 5.002 -30.7 1 -4
Jake Lever < 3.268 6 3.131 4.4 9 3
C Salem < 3.226 7 2.993 7.8 12 5
Jack Viney 3.088 8 3.707 -16.7 4 -4
Ed Langdon 3.029 9 3.057 -0.9 10 1
Judd McVee 3.006 10 2.320 29.6 22 12
T McDonald 2.933 11 2.054 42.8 27 16
A N-Bullen 2.929 12 2.532 15.7 20 8
A Tomlinson 2.915 13 2.915 0.0 14 1
J Bowey < 2.679 14 2.820 -5.0 15 1
K Pickett 2.461 15 2.101 17.1 26 11
T Sparrow 2.437 16 2.811 -13.3 16 0
B Howes 2.315 17 - - - -
J Billings < > 2.309 18 - - - -
C Windsor < 2.275 19 - - - -
M Hore 2.273 20 - - - -
K Chandler 2.181 21 2.265 -3.7 23 2
T Woewodin < > 2.156 22 1.406 53.3 34 12
J V Rooyen 2.121 23 2.170 -2.3 25 2
B Laurie < > 2.111 24 2.235 -5.5 24 0
A M-Wakefield 1.933 25 - - - -
L Hunter* < 1.838 26 2.939 -37.5 13 -13
K Tholstrup 1.808 27 - - - -
B Fritsch 1.769 28 2.324 -23.9 21 -7
J Melksham 1.580 29 1.599 -1.2 32 3
H Petty < 1.540 30 2.718 -43.3 19 -11
S McAdam* 1.483 31 - - - -
Ben Brown < 1.391 32 1.941 -28.3 28 -4
D Turner 1.316 33 1.825 -27.9 31 -2
C Spargo* 1.200 34 1.886 -36.4 29 -5
J Schache* 0.700 35 1.525 -54.1 33 -2
K Brown* > 0.125 36 - - - -
Team Rating 64.75   69.86 -7.3    
Top 6 22.54   24.43 -7.7    
Bottom 6 13.51   15.17 -10.9    

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

< Subbed out at least once or more (player rating could be somewhat comprised)

> Subbed in at least once or more (player rating could be somewhat comprised)

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Melbourne v Port Adelaide (Round 22, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20242206

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat For Against Diff
Disposal Efficiency 65.4 73.8 -8.4
Kicking Efficiency 61.5 69.5 -8.0
Metres Gained 6033 6176 -143
Inside 50s 48 56 -8
Shots At Goal 19 26 -7
Shots Per Inside 50 39.6 46.4 -6.8
Contested Possessions 160 130 +30
Ground Ball Gets 102 92 +10
Intercepts 80 78 +2
Intercept Marks 14 17 -3
Centre Clearances 8 9 -1
Stoppage Clearances 23 26 -3
Contested Marks 13 6 +7
Marks Inside 50 7 13 -6
Hitouts 32 29 +3
Hitouts To Advantage 15 9 +6
Tackles 60 62 -2
Tackles Inside 50 18 6 +12
Def One On One Loss % 9.1 33.3 -24.2

Contested Possessions

  For Against Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get 5 2 +3
Loose Ball Get 15 12 +3
Contested Mark 2 3 -1
Ruck Hard Ball Get 1 0 +1
Gather From Hitout 4 0 +4
Contested Knock On 1 1 0
Free For 5 0 +5
Total 33 18 +15
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get 7 4 +3
Loose Ball Get 16 17 -1
Contested Mark 1 0 +1
Ruck Hard Ball Get 1 1 0
Gather From Hitout 0 2 -2
Contested Knock On 0 1 -1
Free For 1 2 -1
Total 26 27 -1
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get 25 15 +10
Loose Ball Get 58 56 +2
Contested Mark 13 6 +7
Contested Knock On 4 3 +1
Free For 18 10 +8
Total 118 90 +28
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get 6 3 +3
Loose Ball Get 13 18 -5
Ruck Hard Ball Get 5 4 +1
Gather From Hitout 14 9 +5
Contested Knock On 1 3 -2
Free For 3 3 0
Total 42 40 +2
  • Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.
  • Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.
  • 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

  xScore Score Rushed xWin % xMargin Margin Swing
Melbourne 63.6 51 2 11%     +18.2
Port Adelaide 83.8 53 5 89% +20.2 +2  
Team Shots Score Accuracy xScore +/- xSc. /
Shot
Shot
Rating
Overall
Melbourne 19 7.7.49 36.8% 61.6 −12.6 3.24 −0.66
Port Adelaide 26 7.6.48 26.9% 78.8 −30.8 3.03 −1.18
General Play
Melbourne 11 3.6.24 27.3% 32.9 −8.9 2.99 −0.81
Port Adelaide 16 2.5.17 12.5% 44.4 −27.4 2.77 −1.71
Set Position
Melbourne 8 4.1.25 50.0% 28.7 −3.7 3.59 −0.47
Port Adelaide 10 5.1.31 50.0% 34.4 −3.4 3.44 −0.34
  • xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
  • Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
  • xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
  • +/-: total score above or below expected score.
  • xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
  • Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

 

 

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter For Agn Diff
1 182 194 -12
2 154 162 -8
3 199 185 +14
4 182 204 -22
Match 179 186 -7

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player Pressure
Acts
Pressure
Points
Season
Average
Kysaiah Pickett 25 57 43.7
Alex Neal-Bullen 24 54 53.8
Clayton Oliver 22 52 46.3
Harrison Petty 18 50 30.7
Jack Viney 19 47 55.8
Kade Chandler 19 43 44.9
Ed Langdon 15 40 31.8
Tom Sparrow 16 34 43.7
Trent Rivers 15 32 29.7
Koltyn Tholstrup 17 31 35.5
Jack Billings 13 30 24.2
Judd McVee 12 28 15.9
Christian Salem 10 23 26.5
Daniel Turner 11 19 13.3
Tom McDonald 9 18 19.6
Adam Tomlinson 7 16 20.8
Jake Lever 8 16 14.8
Max Gawn 6 15 22.4
Blake Howes 6 15 16.4
Bayley Fritsch 5 11 15.4
Jacob van Rooyen 5 9 17.5
Marty Hore 4 8 10.2
Jake Melksham 0 0 11.0

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter For Against
1 61% 39%
2 49% 51%
3 36% 64%
4 49% 51%
Match 49% 51%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category Score Against Diff
Kick-in 1.0.6 0.0.0 +6
Centre Bounce 0.1.1 1.3.9 -8
Stoppage (Other) 2.4.16 2.2.14 +2
Turnover 4.4.28 4.6.30 -2
Score Source For Against
Match Season Match Season *
Kick-in 6 3.3 0 3.0
Centre Bounce 1 8.7 9 7.4
Stoppage (Other) 16 22.9 14 19.9
Turnover 28 41.8 30 48.0

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Port Adelaide.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category Region For Against
Match Season Match Season *
Centre Bounce Centre 1 8.7 9 7.4
Kick-in D50 6 3.3 0 3.0
Stoppage (Other) D50 12 2.8 1 1.3
Stoppage (Other) Centre 0 2.2 0 2.0
Stoppage (Other) Wing 3 11.9 6 9.2
Stoppage (Other) F50 1 5.9 7 7.3
Turnover D50 12 8.9 6 8.7
Turnover Centre 6 7.8 7 7.2
Turnover Wing 6 18.1 16 25.8
Turnover F50 4 7.0 1 6.3
Region For Against
Match Season Match Season *
D50 30 15.0 7 13.1
Centre 7 18.7 16 16.5
Wing 9 30.0 22 35.0
F50 5 13.0 8 13.7
Region For Against
Match Season Match Season *
Defensive 50 30 15.0 7 13.1
Defensive midfield 7 16.0 21 19.2
Centre bounce 1 8.7 9 7.4
Attacking midfield 8 24.0 8 25.0
Forward 50 5 13.0 8 13.7

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Port Adelaide.

Points from defensive half

For Against
Match Season Match Season *
37 31.0 28 32.3

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Port Adelaide.

Centre Bounce Attendances

  CBAs CBA % 2024 % 2023 %
Max Gawn 17 94% 84.9% 64.9%
Jack Viney 13 72% 68.3% 72.1%
Tom Sparrow 11 61% 38.7% 44.9%
Trent Rivers 11 61% 26.9% 3.0%
Clayton Oliver 9 50% 70.7% 81.4%
Kysaiah Pickett 5 28% 35.5% 11.2%
Judd McVee 4 22% 0.9% 0.0%
Jacob van Rooyen 1 6% 18.2% 7.6%
Koltyn Tholstrup 1 6% 5.8%  
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0% 15.6% 2.1%
Christian Salem 0 0% 14.0% 0.0%
Harrison Petty 0 0% 8.4% 0.7%
Daniel Turner 0 0% 0.3% 0.0%
Tom McDonald 0 0% 0.0% 5.7%
Christian Petracca     55.8% 61.1%
Bailey Laurie     8.3% 0.0%
Josh Schache     8.3% 0.0%
Charlie Spargo     4.2% 0.0%
Lachie Hunter     0.0% 0.2%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

  Ruck
Contests
RC % 2024 % 2023 %
Max Gawn 53 69% 80.7% 57.5%
Jacob van Rooyen 14 18% 18.0% 13.1%
Harrison Petty 8 10% 8.5% 2.0%
Daniel Turner 2 3% 3.5% 0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0% 0.0% 0.0%
Clayton Oliver 0 0% 0.0% 0.1%
Tom McDonald 0 0% 0.0% 9.3%
Tom Sparrow 0 0% 0.0% 0.0%
Josh Schache     13.3% 4.1%
Ben Brown     0.2% 2.3%
Christian Petracca     0.0% 0.4%
Steven May     0.0% 0.0%

Hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
To Adv. %
(2024)
To Adv. %
(2023)
Max Gawn 53 30 15 28.4% 30.1%
Harrison Petty 8 2 0 25.0% 25.0%
Daniel Turner 2 0 0 50.0%  
Jacob van Rooyen 14 0 0 24.7% 31.1%
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 0   0.0%
Tom McDonald 0 0 0   20.0%
Ben Brown       100.0% 0.0%
Josh Schache       100.0% 0.0%
Christian Petracca         100.0%

Opposition hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
Jordon Sweet 61 27 8
Charlie Dixon 16 2 1

After last night, Gawn is the fourth highest rated player across the season, behind only Bontempelli, Cripps and Rankine (just).  It's Gawn's best individual rated season since his back to back Bluey years of 18 and 19.  He is 10 places higher than Xerri.  He is a remarkable player.

 

When you see Clayton Oliver named at number 3 for pressure acts, you know you should no longer be following champion data..

Stats files need to chill. 

On 05/08/2024 at 19:33, middleagedemon said:

Where's binman to pull some gems from these stats and let us all know we're doomsdayers but we're precisely on track?! 

He's gone missing recently, this is his thread isn't it?! 

Remember you said you weren't going to play the man on return, Jimmy?

This is a completely unnecessary post. Things change. Last year you were needlessly neggy when we where a whisker away from a PF twice.

Let's park the attacks and have a bit of constructive analysis.

Apart from getting some kids through the draft, how would you improve the team next year?


11 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

Remember you said you weren't going to play the man on return, Jimmy?

This is a completely unnecessary post. Things change. Last year you were needlessly neggy when we where a whisker away from a PF twice.

Let's park the attacks and have a bit of constructive analysis.

Apart from getting some kids through the draft, how would you improve the team next year?

'Attack' is a bit strong my old mate, but point taken. 

The constant goal post shifting and finding any excuse possible outside of pointing the finger at our list and coaching becomes tiresome though, it's got to be acknowledged. 

It's head in the sand kind of stuff! 

I made a long post in a thread last week regarding where I think we need to put our energy and attention as a club, I can't remember the thread. Could be the trade targets one?

I take your point, will tone down and target posters less. 

2 hours ago, middleagedemon said:

'Attack' is a bit strong my old mate, but point taken. 

The constant goal post shifting and finding any excuse possible outside of pointing the finger at our list and coaching becomes tiresome though, it's got to be acknowledged. 

It's head in the sand kind of stuff! 

I made a long post in a thread last week regarding where I think we need to put our energy and attention as a club, I can't remember the thread. Could be the trade targets one?

I take your point, will tone down and target posters less. 

I don't always agree with you, but have always liked you as a poster, and most of the time you're constructive. 

I also think there's acknowledging factors that put together are not head in the sand, but legitimate for any analysis, but we've been there before, so I'll park it here.

On 11/08/2024 at 07:40, WheeloRatings said:

Melbourne v Port Adelaide (Round 22, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20242206

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat For Against Diff
Disposal Efficiency 65.4 73.8 -8.4
Kicking Efficiency 61.5 69.5 -8.0
Metres Gained 6033 6176 -143
Inside 50s 48 56 -8
Shots At Goal 19 26 -7
Shots Per Inside 50 39.6 46.4 -6.8
Contested Possessions 160 130 +30
Ground Ball Gets 102 92 +10
Intercepts 80 78 +2
Intercept Marks 14 17 -3
Centre Clearances 8 9 -1
Stoppage Clearances 23 26 -3
Contested Marks 13 6 +7
Marks Inside 50 7 13 -6
Hitouts 32 29 +3
Hitouts To Advantage 15 9 +6
Tackles 60 62 -2
Tackles Inside 50 18 6 +12
Def One On One Loss % 9.1 33.3 -24.2

Contested Possessions

  For Against Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get 5 2 +3
Loose Ball Get 15 12 +3
Contested Mark 2 3 -1
Ruck Hard Ball Get 1 0 +1
Gather From Hitout 4 0 +4
Contested Knock On 1 1 0
Free For 5 0 +5
Total 33 18 +15
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get 7 4 +3
Loose Ball Get 16 17 -1
Contested Mark 1 0 +1
Ruck Hard Ball Get 1 1 0
Gather From Hitout 0 2 -2
Contested Knock On 0 1 -1
Free For 1 2 -1
Total 26 27 -1
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get 25 15 +10
Loose Ball Get 58 56 +2
Contested Mark 13 6 +7
Contested Knock On 4 3 +1
Free For 18 10 +8
Total 118 90 +28
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get 6 3 +3
Loose Ball Get 13 18 -5
Ruck Hard Ball Get 5 4 +1
Gather From Hitout 14 9 +5
Contested Knock On 1 3 -2
Free For 3 3 0
Total 42 40 +2
  • Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.
  • Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.
  • 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

  xScore Score Rushed xWin % xMargin Margin Swing
Melbourne 63.6 51 2 11%     +18.2
Port Adelaide 83.8 53 5 89% +20.2 +2  
Team Shots Score Accuracy xScore +/- xSc. /
Shot
Shot
Rating
Overall
Melbourne 19 7.7.49 36.8% 61.6 −12.6 3.24 −0.66
Port Adelaide 26 7.6.48 26.9% 78.8 −30.8 3.03 −1.18
General Play
Melbourne 11 3.6.24 27.3% 32.9 −8.9 2.99 −0.81
Port Adelaide 16 2.5.17 12.5% 44.4 −27.4 2.77 −1.71
Set Position
Melbourne 8 4.1.25 50.0% 28.7 −3.7 3.59 −0.47
Port Adelaide 10 5.1.31 50.0% 34.4 −3.4 3.44 −0.34
  • xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
  • Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
  • xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
  • +/-: total score above or below expected score.
  • xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
  • Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

 

 

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter For Agn Diff
1 182 194 -12
2 154 162 -8
3 199 185 +14
4 182 204 -22
Match 179 186 -7

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player Pressure
Acts
Pressure
Points
Season
Average
Kysaiah Pickett 25 57 43.7
Alex Neal-Bullen 24 54 53.8
Clayton Oliver 22 52 46.3
Harrison Petty 18 50 30.7
Jack Viney 19 47 55.8
Kade Chandler 19 43 44.9
Ed Langdon 15 40 31.8
Tom Sparrow 16 34 43.7
Trent Rivers 15 32 29.7
Koltyn Tholstrup 17 31 35.5
Jack Billings 13 30 24.2
Judd McVee 12 28 15.9
Christian Salem 10 23 26.5
Daniel Turner 11 19 13.3
Tom McDonald 9 18 19.6
Adam Tomlinson 7 16 20.8
Jake Lever 8 16 14.8
Max Gawn 6 15 22.4
Blake Howes 6 15 16.4
Bayley Fritsch 5 11 15.4
Jacob van Rooyen 5 9 17.5
Marty Hore 4 8 10.2
Jake Melksham 0 0 11.0

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter For Against
1 61% 39%
2 49% 51%
3 36% 64%
4 49% 51%
Match 49% 51%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category Score Against Diff
Kick-in 1.0.6 0.0.0 +6
Centre Bounce 0.1.1 1.3.9 -8
Stoppage (Other) 2.4.16 2.2.14 +2
Turnover 4.4.28 4.6.30 -2
Score Source For Against
Match Season Match Season *
Kick-in 6 3.3 0 3.0
Centre Bounce 1 8.7 9 7.4
Stoppage (Other) 16 22.9 14 19.9
Turnover 28 41.8 30 48.0

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Port Adelaide.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category Region For Against
Match Season Match Season *
Centre Bounce Centre 1 8.7 9 7.4
Kick-in D50 6 3.3 0 3.0
Stoppage (Other) D50 12 2.8 1 1.3
Stoppage (Other) Centre 0 2.2 0 2.0
Stoppage (Other) Wing 3 11.9 6 9.2
Stoppage (Other) F50 1 5.9 7 7.3
Turnover D50 12 8.9 6 8.7
Turnover Centre 6 7.8 7 7.2
Turnover Wing 6 18.1 16 25.8
Turnover F50 4 7.0 1 6.3
Region For Against
Match Season Match Season *
D50 30 15.0 7 13.1
Centre 7 18.7 16 16.5
Wing 9 30.0 22 35.0
F50 5 13.0 8 13.7
Region For Against
Match Season Match Season *
Defensive 50 30 15.0 7 13.1
Defensive midfield 7 16.0 21 19.2
Centre bounce 1 8.7 9 7.4
Attacking midfield 8 24.0 8 25.0
Forward 50 5 13.0 8 13.7

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Port Adelaide.

Points from defensive half

For Against
Match Season Match Season *
37 31.0 28 32.3

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Port Adelaide.

Centre Bounce Attendances

  CBAs CBA % 2024 % 2023 %
Max Gawn 17 94% 84.9% 64.9%
Jack Viney 13 72% 68.3% 72.1%
Tom Sparrow 11 61% 38.7% 44.9%
Trent Rivers 11 61% 26.9% 3.0%
Clayton Oliver 9 50% 70.7% 81.4%
Kysaiah Pickett 5 28% 35.5% 11.2%
Judd McVee 4 22% 0.9% 0.0%
Jacob van Rooyen 1 6% 18.2% 7.6%
Koltyn Tholstrup 1 6% 5.8%  
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0% 15.6% 2.1%
Christian Salem 0 0% 14.0% 0.0%
Harrison Petty 0 0% 8.4% 0.7%
Daniel Turner 0 0% 0.3% 0.0%
Tom McDonald 0 0% 0.0% 5.7%
Christian Petracca     55.8% 61.1%
Bailey Laurie     8.3% 0.0%
Josh Schache     8.3% 0.0%
Charlie Spargo     4.2% 0.0%
Lachie Hunter     0.0% 0.2%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

  Ruck
Contests
RC % 2024 % 2023 %
Max Gawn 53 69% 80.7% 57.5%
Jacob van Rooyen 14 18% 18.0% 13.1%
Harrison Petty 8 10% 8.5% 2.0%
Daniel Turner 2 3% 3.5% 0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0% 0.0% 0.0%
Clayton Oliver 0 0% 0.0% 0.1%
Tom McDonald 0 0% 0.0% 9.3%
Tom Sparrow 0 0% 0.0% 0.0%
Josh Schache     13.3% 4.1%
Ben Brown     0.2% 2.3%
Christian Petracca     0.0% 0.4%
Steven May     0.0% 0.0%

Hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
To Adv. %
(2024)
To Adv. %
(2023)
Max Gawn 53 30 15 28.4% 30.1%
Harrison Petty 8 2 0 25.0% 25.0%
Daniel Turner 2 0 0 50.0%  
Jacob van Rooyen 14 0 0 24.7% 31.1%
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 0   0.0%
Tom McDonald 0 0 0   20.0%
Ben Brown       100.0% 0.0%
Josh Schache       100.0% 0.0%
Christian Petracca         100.0%

Opposition hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
Jordon Sweet 61 27 8
Charlie Dixon 16 2 1

 @WheeloRatings - the x scores don't look right

16 hours ago, binman said:

 @WheeloRatings - the x scores don't look right

The expected score for Port may be a little higher than others as I include the rushed behinds and Port had five. This may overinflate an expected score as there may also have been a shot at goal in that chain which was already included in the expected score.

AFLxScore on Twitter had the expected scores as 62.2 (+1 rushed) to 76.7 (+0 rushed) and Champion Data had the expected scores as 67 to 80, so not significantly different to 61.6 (+2 rushed) to 78.8 (+5 rushed). The difference between my model and AFLxScore's is basically the rushed behinds which they handle differently to me. I will aim review this in the off season.

Does this explain it, or does it still not seem right?

 

 

 

7 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

The expected score for Port may be a little higher than others as I include the rushed behinds and Port had five. This may overinflate an expected score as there may also have been a shot at goal in that chain which was already included in the expected score.

AFLxScore on Twitter had the expected scores as 62.2 (+1 rushed) to 76.7 (+0 rushed) and Champion Data had the expected scores as 67 to 80, so not significantly different to 61.6 (+2 rushed) to 78.8 (+5 rushed). The difference between my model and AFLxScore's is basically the rushed behinds which they handle differently to me. I will aim review this in the off season.

Does this explain it, or does it still not seem right?

 

 

 

@WheeloRatings I was about to post:

I'll preface this with an admission maths isn't my strong suit (well if you don't count calculating betting returns) and that perhaps i'm just having a brain fade, but it still doesn't look right. 

At the very real risk of embarrassing myself (something i AM good at), looking at the data for Port's overall score, which i get excludes rushed behinds it is 7.6.48, so 13 scoring shots in total.  

If Port converted ALL 13 scoring shots into goals that would be 78 points. Yet the expected score is 78.8

I'm glad i didn't because i just realised my error.

They didn't have 13 scoring shots, they had 26!

I assume five of those 26 shots were rushed behinds.

Am i right in sating that means that on 8 occasions they either didn't make the distance (and it wasn't knocked though for a point) or kicked it on the full?   

On a night that was still and dry that seems an awful lot of shots at goal that failed to register a score.

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1 hour ago, binman said:

@WheeloRatings I was about to post:

I'll preface this with an admission maths isn't my strong suit (well if you don't count calculating betting returns) and that perhaps i'm just having a brain fade, but it still doesn't look right. 

At the very real risk of embarrassing myself (something i AM good at), looking at the data for Port's overall score, which i get excludes rushed behinds it is 7.6.48, so 13 scoring shots in total.  

If Port converted ALL 13 scoring shots into goals that would be 78 points. Yet the expected score is 78.8

I'm glad i didn't because i just realised my error.

They didn't have 13 scoring shots, they had 26!

I assume five of those 26 shots were rushed behinds.

Am i right in sating that means that on 8 occasions they either didn't make the distance (and it wasn't knocked though for a point) or kicked it on the full?   

On a night that was still and dry that seems an awful lot of shots at goal that failed to register a score.

I think that we intercept marked a few in the goal square as well?

1 hour ago, binman said:

@WheeloRatings I was about to post:

I'll preface this with an admission maths isn't my strong suit (well if you don't count calculating betting returns) and that perhaps i'm just having a brain fade, but it still doesn't look right. 

At the very real risk of embarrassing myself (something i AM good at), looking at the data for Port's overall score, which i get excludes rushed behinds it is 7.6.48, so 13 scoring shots in total.  

If Port converted ALL 13 scoring shots into goals that would be 78 points. Yet the expected score is 78.8

I'm glad i didn't because i just realised my error.

They didn't have 13 scoring shots, they had 26!

I assume five of those 26 shots were rushed behinds.

Am i right in sating that means that on 8 occasions they either didn't make the distance (and it wasn't knocked though for a point) or kicked it on the full?   

On a night that was still and dry that seems an awful lot of shots at goal that failed to register a score.

Yes, that's correct. They had 26 shots in total - up to five of those resulted in a rushed behind and therefore at least eight didn't register a score at all. One was a shot by JHF which was smothered off the boot, so they can also count as a shot if it was deemed to be a genuine shot at goal.

I say "up to five" rushed as a rushed behind may not follow a shot, but I haven't checked to see whether this was the case for any of Port's rushed behinds.

Yes, it does seem like a reasonably high proportion of their shots not registering a score, but I haven't looked into how it compares to other teams across the season.

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Round 22, 2024 MCG - Demons vs Power

Our champ having a horror finish to the season.  I don't have the desire to troll through the records but i suspect this is Clarry's worst rated game for the year.

He also finished in the bottom quartile of all player ratings.

Why would you keep pushing a player so out of form to keep on keeping on?  Surely manage him through till the end of the season both in this match just gone and from here on.  Or... let him choose between that and playing a few chilled games at Casey.   If his finger has flared up again and causing more woes then why play him at all?

Max having a super game with his number one 5.82 rating reflecting this.  However, he did produce a much higher rating and his best for the season in Rnd 11 vs the Saints with a massive 7.20

Pretty ordinary result from JVR and it would appear Melky may have hit the wall with the same poor rating as last week.

The team rating was still a fair way off Port's with their top six rated players having a slight edge over ours.  Although a -22% result vs 2023's rating is an improvement on -30% the previous week vs the Dogs.

Salem, Vines, Pickett, ANB & Petty putting their best foot forward.  And finally a substantial contribution from Sparrow.  The stint at Casey appears to have helped his game since returning last week!

Player Rating Rank 2023 Season Rating % Change vs 2023
M Gawn 5.825 1 3.350 73.9
C Salem 3.900 2 2.993 30.3
T Sparrow 3.850 3 2.811 37.0
Jack Viney 3.525 4 3.707 -4.9
K Pickett 3.450 5 2.101 64.2
A N-Bullen 3.225 6 2.532 27.4
H Petty 3.025 7 2.718 11.3
T McDonald 2.675 8 2.054 30.2
J Billings 2.650 9 - -
T Rivers 2.625 10 3.696 -29.0
A Tomlinson 2.500 11 2.915 -14.2
K Chandler 2.100 12 2.265 -7.3
K Tholstrup 1.925 13 - -
Ed Langdon 1.925 13 3.057 -37.0
M Hore 1.925 13 - -
J Lever 1.825 16 3.131 -41.7
J McVee 1.650 17 2.320 -28.9
B Howes 1.575 18 2.235 -29.5
B Fritsch 1.400 19 2.324 -39.8
C Oliver 1.375 20 5.002 -72.5
D Turner 0.825 21 1.825 -54.8
J V Rooyen < 63% 0.425 22 2.170 -80.4
J Melksham > 19% 0.250 23 1.599 -84.4
Team Score 54.20   69.86 -22.4
Top 6 23.78   24.43 -2.7
Bottom 6 7.25   15.17 -52.2

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Power

Player  Rating    Rank
T Boak  5.750        1
D Houston  4.450        2
C Rozee  4.250        3
J H-Francis  3.975        4
Z Butters  3.925        5
K Farrell  3.575        6
J Burgoyne  3.425        7
A Aliir  3.200        8
B Z-Thatcher  3.075        9
W Drew  3.000       10
O Wines  2.900       11
J Sweet  2.375       12
M Bergman  2.350       13
L Evans  2.300       14
L Jones  2.175       15
C Dixon  1.900       16
D B-Jones  1.875       17
Q Narkle > 47%  1.425       18
J Mead  1.375       19
W Rioli  1.250       20
T Marshall < 30%  1.125       21
E Ratugolea  0.550       22
F Evans  0.350       23
       Team Rating  60.23  
            Top 6  25.93  
         Bottom 6    7.60  

Combined Ratings

Player Rating Rank
M Gawn 5.825 1
T Boak 5.750 2
D Houston 4.450 3
C Rozee 4.250 4
J H-Francis 3.975 5
Z Butters 3.925 6
C Salem 3.900 7
T Sparrow 3.850 8
K Farrell 3.575 9
Jack Viney 3.525 10
K Pickett 3.450 11
J Burgoyne 3.425 12
A N-Bullen 3.225 13
A Aliir 3.200 14
B Z-Thatcher 3.075 15
H Petty 3.025 16
W Drew 3.000 17
O Wines 2.900 18
T McDonald 2.675 19
J Billings 2.650 20
T Rivers 2.625 21
A Tomlinson 2.500 22
J Sweet 2.375 23
M Bergman 2.350 24
L Evans 2.300 25
L Jones 2.175 26
K Chandler 2.100 27
K Tholstrup 1.925 28
Ed Langdon 1.925 28
M Hore 1.925 28
C Dixon 1.900 31
D B-Jones 1.875 32
J Lever 1.825 33
J McVee 1.650 34
B Howes 1.575 35
Q Narkle > 47% 1.425 36
B Fritsch 1.400 37
J Mead 1.375 38
C Oliver 1.375 38
W Rioli 1.250 40
T Marshall < 30% 1.125 41
D Turner 0.825 42
E Ratugolea 0.550 43
J V Rooyen < 63% 0.425 44
F Evans 0.350 45
J Melksham > 19% 0.250 46

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Edited by Demon Dynasty

Thanks DD, we had a better spread of players this week and for some reason we are almost getting the job done with fewer touches. 😁

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Round 23, 2024 PF Stadium - Suns vs Demons

Our second best team rating for the year.

Where did that performance come from?  Only bettered in Rnd 1 vs the Dogs with a 72.4  A mere five months and 22 matches later!

Did it for Nibbler i assume?  Haven't watched the game yet but look at those top six ratings.  The second best result for the year.  A smidgen behind Rnd 11 vs the Saints (29.85)

Speaking of Nibbler that was also his best rated match of the season.

A break out game from Howes?  His best rated game so far for the redlegs.

Marty Hore cracking into the top 6.  Must have been pretty decent?

Kozzy with the lowest rated game for us (not counting Sparrow).  Not so good?

Player Rating Rank 2023 Season Rating % Change vs 2023
Jack Viney 6.425 1 3.707 73.3
Ed Langdon 5.625 2 3.057 84.0
A N-Bullen 5.150 3 2.532 103.4
C Salem 4.700 4 2.993 57.0
B Howes 4.125 5 2.235 84.6
M Hore 3.775 6 - -
T Rivers 3.625 7 3.696 -1.9
J Billings 3.300 8 - -
J Bowey 3.225 9 2.820 14.4
M Gawn 3.100 10 3.350 -7.5
T McDonald 3.100 10 2.054 50.9
K Chandler 2.850 12 2.265 25.8
K Tholstrup 2.750 13 - -
H Petty 2.650 14 2.718 -2.5
D Turner 2.625 15 1.825 43.8
A Tomlinson 2.600 16 2.915 -10.8
B Fritsch 2.550 17 2.324 9.7
J McVee 2.500 18 2.320 7.8
J Melksham > 54% 2.500 18 1.599 56.3
J V Rooyen 2.250 20 2.170 3.7
J Lever 1.900 21 3.131 -39.3
K Pickett 0.800 22 2.101 -61.9
T Sparrow < 16% 0.600 23 2.811 -78.7
Team Score 72.13   69.86 3.2
Top 6 29.80   24.43 22.0
Bottom 6 12.50   15.17 -17.6

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Suns

Player Rating Rank
N Anderson 4.725 1
S Flanders 4.675 2
A Davies 3.950 3
T Miller 3.650 4
B Uwland 3.400 5
S Clohesy 3.400 5
C Ballard 3.375 7
J Witts 3.175 8
L Weller 2.550 9
M Rowell 2.525 10
W Graham 2.450 11
W Powell 2.225 12
S Collins 2.150 13
N Holman 2.000 14
C Budarick 1.825 15
B King 1.650 16
S Lemmens 1.600 17
J Rogers 0.950 18
B Humphrey 0.850 19
M Andrew 0.750 20
D Swallow > 23% 0.700 21
J Walter 0.575 22
B Long < 58% 0.500 23
Team Rating 53.15  
Top 6 23.80  
Bottom 6 5.43  

 

Combined Ratings

Player Rating Rank
Jack Viney 6.425 1
Ed Langdon 5.625 2
A N-Bullen 5.150 3
N Anderson 4.725 4
C Salem 4.700 5
S Flanders 4.675 6
B Howes 4.125 7
A Davies 3.950 8
M Hore 3.775 9
T Miller 3.650 10
T Rivers 3.625 11
B Uwland 3.400 12
S Clohesy 3.400 12
C Ballard 3.375 14
J Billings 3.300 15
J Bowey 3.225 16
J Witts 3.175 17
M Gawn 3.100 18
T McDonald 3.100 18
K Chandler 2.850 20
K Tholstrup 2.750 21
H Petty 2.650 22
D Turner 2.625 23
A Tomlinson 2.600 24
B Fritsch 2.550 25
L Weller 2.550 25
M Rowell 2.525 27
J McVee 2.500 28
J Melksham > 54% 2.500 28
W Graham 2.450 30
J V Rooyen 2.250 31
W Powell 2.225 32
S Collins 2.150 33
N Holman 2.000 34
J Lever 1.900 35
C Budarick 1.825 36
B King 1.650 38
S Lemmens 1.600 38
J Rogers 0.950 39
B Humphrey 0.850 40
K Pickett 0.800 41
M Andrew 0.750 42
D Swallow > 23% 0.700 43
T Sparrow < 16% 0.600 44
J Walter 0.575 45
B Long < 58% 0.500 46

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & foxsports.com.au

Edited by Demon Dynasty


Melbourne v Gold Coast (Round 23, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20242303

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat For Against Diff
Disposal Efficiency 77.7 71.3 +6.4
Kicking Efficiency 72.3 63.3 +9.0
Metres Gained 6274 5576 +698
Inside 50s 54 49 +5
Shots At Goal 29 18 +11
Shots Per Inside 50 53.7 36.7 +17.0
Contested Possessions 121 111 +10
Ground Ball Gets 82 74 +8
Intercepts 67 63 +4
Intercept Marks 16 17 -1
Centre Clearances 18 7 +11
Stoppage Clearances 27 29 -2
Contested Marks 11 5 +6
Marks Inside 50 16 8 +8
Hitouts 40 34 +6
Hitouts To Advantage 10 11 -1
Tackles 50 47 +3
Tackles Inside 50 9 9 +0
Def One On One Loss % 20.0 35.3 -15.3

Contested Possessions

  For Against Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get 6 4 +2
Loose Ball Get 14 10 +4
Contested Mark 1 0 +1
Ruck Hard Ball Get 0 2 -2
Gather From Hitout 2 1 +1
Contested Knock On 0 1 -1
Free For 1 2 -1
Total 24 20 +4
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get 4 8 -4
Loose Ball Get 7 7 0
Contested Mark 3 2 +1
Ruck Hard Ball Get 2 0 +2
Gather From Hitout 1 1 0
Free For 1 2 -1
Total 18 20 -2
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get 14 16 -2
Loose Ball Get 43 32 +11
Contested Mark 11 5 +6
Contested Knock On 1 5 -4
Free For 7 10 -3
Total 76 68 +8
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get 6 7 -1
Loose Ball Get 19 19 0
Ruck Hard Ball Get 5 2 +3
Gather From Hitout 9 11 -2
Contested Knock On 4 2 +2
Free For 2 2 0
Total 45 43 +2
  • Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.
  • Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.
  • 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

  xScore Score Rushed xWin % xMargin Margin Swing
Melbourne 102.7 117 0 99% +40.9 +54 +13.1
Gold Coast 61.8 63 1 1%      
Team Shots Score Accuracy xScore +/- xSc. /
Shot
Shot
Rating
Overall
Melbourne 29 18.9.117 62.1% 102.7 +14.3 3.54 +0.49
Gold Coast 18 9.8.62 50.0% 60.8 +1.2 3.38 +0.07
General Play
Melbourne 12 4.6.30 33.3% 37.7 −7.7 3.15 −0.65
Gold Coast 8 5.3.33 62.5% 22.6 +10.4 2.82 +1.31
Set Position
Melbourne 17 14.3.87 82.4% 65.0 +22.0 3.82 +1.30
Gold Coast 10 4.5.29 40.0% 38.3 −9.3 3.83 −0.93
  • xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
  • Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
  • xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
  • +/-: total score above or below expected score.
  • xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
  • Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter For Agn Diff
1 184 171 +13
2 174 182 -8
3 197 174 +23
4 167 175 -8
Match 181 175 +6

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player Pressure
Acts
Pressure
Points
Season
Average
Jack Viney 31 83 57.0
Koltyn Tholstrup 24 53 37.4
Alex Neal-Bullen 20 51 53.7
Trent Rivers 22 41 30.2
Kade Chandler 17 35 44.5
Ed Langdon 16 35 32.0
Kysaiah Pickett 19 34 43.2
Judd McVee 11 28 16.5
Jake Lever 13 26 15.4
Christian Salem 13 24 26.3
Bayley Fritsch 13 24 15.8
Harrison Petty 13 23 30.3
Jake Bowey 10 22 18.1
Max Gawn 6 18 22.2
Marty Hore 8 18 11.8
Jack Billings 7 14 23.5
Tom McDonald 4 14 19.3
Jacob van Rooyen 6 14 17.4
Blake Howes 5 13 16.1
Jake Melksham 5 12 11.1
Adam Tomlinson 3 9 19.1
Daniel Turner 3 6 12.8
Tom Sparrow 1 1 41.7

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter For Against
1 43% 57%
2 37% 63%
3 42% 58%
4 58% 42%
Match 45% 55%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category Score Against Diff
Kick-in 1.0.6 0.1.1 +5
Centre Bounce 5.1.31 2.2.14 +17
Stoppage (Other) 7.2.44 1.1.7 +37
Turnover 5.6.36 6.5.41 -5
Score Source For Against
Match Season Match Season *
Kick-in 6 3.5 1 3.0
Centre Bounce 31 9.7 14 7.7
Stoppage (Other) 44 23.8 7 19.3
Turnover 36 41.5 41 47.7

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Gold Coast.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category Region For Against
Match Season Match Season *
Centre Bounce Centre 31 9.7 14 7.7
Kick-in D50 6 3.5 1 3.0
Stoppage (Other) D50 6 3.0 1 1.3
Stoppage (Other) Centre 1 2.2 0 1.9
Stoppage (Other) Wing 30 12.7 0 8.8
Stoppage (Other) F50 7 6.0 6 7.3
Turnover D50 15 9.1 14 9.0
Turnover Centre 6 7.7 0 6.9
Turnover Wing 8 17.6 20 25.5
Turnover F50 7 7.0 7 6.4
Region For Against
Match Season Match Season *
D50 27 15.5 16 13.2
Centre 38 19.6 14 16.4
Wing 38 30.4 20 34.4
F50 14 13.0 13 13.6
Region For Against
Match Season Match Season *
Defensive 50 27 15.5 16 13.2
Defensive midfield 19 16.1 0 18.4
Centre bounce 31 9.7 14 7.7
Attacking midfield 26 24.1 20 24.7
Forward 50 14 13.0 13 13.6

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Gold Coast.

Points from defensive half

For Against
Match Season Match Season *
46 31.7 16 31.6

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Gold Coast.

Centre Bounce Attendances

  CBAs CBA % 2024 % 2023 %
Max Gawn 25 83% 84.8% 64.9%
Jack Viney 23 77% 68.8% 72.1%
Trent Rivers 20 67% 29.0% 3.0%
Judd McVee 18 60% 4.0% 0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen 16 53% 17.5% 2.1%
Tom Sparrow 6 20% 37.7% 44.9%
Jacob van Rooyen 5 17% 18.1% 7.6%
Kysaiah Pickett 4 13% 34.3% 11.2%
Koltyn Tholstrup 3 10% 6.4%  
Christian Salem 0 0% 13.0% 0.0%
Harrison Petty 0 0% 7.9% 0.7%
Daniel Turner 0 0% 0.3% 0.0%
Tom McDonald 0 0% 0.0% 5.7%
Clayton Oliver     70.7% 81.4%
Christian Petracca     55.8% 61.1%
Bailey Laurie     8.3% 0.0%
Josh Schache     8.3% 0.0%
Charlie Spargo     4.2% 0.0%
Lachie Hunter     0.0% 0.2%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

  Ruck
Contests
RC % 2024 % 2023 %
Max Gawn 75 82% 80.8% 57.5%
Jacob van Rooyen 16 18% 18.0% 13.1%
Harrison Petty 0 0% 8.1% 2.0%
Daniel Turner 0 0% 3.2% 0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0% 0.0% 0.0%
Tom McDonald 0 0% 0.0% 9.3%
Tom Sparrow 0 0% 0.0% 0.0%
Josh Schache     13.3% 4.1%
Ben Brown     0.2% 2.3%
Christian Petracca     0.0% 0.4%
Clayton Oliver     0.0% 0.1%
Steven May     0.0% 0.0%

Hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
To Adv. %
(2024)
To Adv. %
(2023)
Max Gawn 75 33 8 28.2% 30.1%
Jacob van Rooyen 16 7 2 25.0% 31.1%
Daniel Turner 0 0 0 50.0%  
Harrison Petty 0 0 0 25.0% 25.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 0   0.0%
Tom McDonald 0 0 0   20.0%
Ben Brown       100.0% 0.0%
Josh Schache       100.0% 0.0%
Christian Petracca         100.0%

Opposition hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
Jarrod Witts 73 27 8
Mac Andrew 16 6 2
Jed Walter 3 1 1
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2 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

Melbourne v Gold Coast (Round 23, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20242303

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat For Against Diff
Disposal Efficiency 77.7 71.3 +6.4
Kicking Efficiency 72.3 63.3 +9.0
Metres Gained 6274 5576 +698
Inside 50s 54 49 +5
Shots At Goal 29 18 +11
Shots Per Inside 50 53.7 36.7 +17.0
Contested Possessions 121 111 +10
Ground Ball Gets 82 74 +8
Intercepts 67 63 +4
Intercept Marks 16 17 -1
Centre Clearances 18 7 +11
Stoppage Clearances 27 29 -2
Contested Marks 11 5 +6
Marks Inside 50 16 8 +8
Hitouts 40 34 +6
Hitouts To Advantage 10 11 -1
Tackles 50 47 +3
Tackles Inside 50 9 9 +0
Def One On One Loss % 20.0 35.3 -15.3

Contested Possessions

  For Against Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get 6 4 +2
Loose Ball Get 14 10 +4
Contested Mark 1 0 +1
Ruck Hard Ball Get 0 2 -2
Gather From Hitout 2 1 +1
Contested Knock On 0 1 -1
Free For 1 2 -1
Total 24 20 +4
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get 4 8 -4
Loose Ball Get 7 7 0
Contested Mark 3 2 +1
Ruck Hard Ball Get 2 0 +2
Gather From Hitout 1 1 0
Free For 1 2 -1
Total 18 20 -2
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get 14 16 -2
Loose Ball Get 43 32 +11
Contested Mark 11 5 +6
Contested Knock On 1 5 -4
Free For 7 10 -3
Total 76 68 +8
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get 6 7 -1
Loose Ball Get 19 19 0
Ruck Hard Ball Get 5 2 +3
Gather From Hitout 9 11 -2
Contested Knock On 4 2 +2
Free For 2 2 0
Total 45 43 +2
  • Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.
  • Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.
  • 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

  xScore Score Rushed xWin % xMargin Margin Swing
Melbourne 102.7 117 0 99% +40.9 +54 +13.1
Gold Coast 61.8 63 1 1%      
Team Shots Score Accuracy xScore +/- xSc. /
Shot
Shot
Rating
Overall
Melbourne 29 18.9.117 62.1% 102.7 +14.3 3.54 +0.49
Gold Coast 18 9.8.62 50.0% 60.8 +1.2 3.38 +0.07
General Play
Melbourne 12 4.6.30 33.3% 37.7 −7.7 3.15 −0.65
Gold Coast 8 5.3.33 62.5% 22.6 +10.4 2.82 +1.31
Set Position
Melbourne 17 14.3.87 82.4% 65.0 +22.0 3.82 +1.30
Gold Coast 10 4.5.29 40.0% 38.3 −9.3 3.83 −0.93
  • xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
  • Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
  • xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
  • +/-: total score above or below expected score.
  • xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
  • Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter For Agn Diff
1 184 171 +13
2 174 182 -8
3 197 174 +23
4 167 175 -8
Match 181 175 +6

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player Pressure
Acts
Pressure
Points
Season
Average
Jack Viney 31 83 57.0
Koltyn Tholstrup 24 53 37.4
Alex Neal-Bullen 20 51 53.7
Trent Rivers 22 41 30.2
Kade Chandler 17 35 44.5
Ed Langdon 16 35 32.0
Kysaiah Pickett 19 34 43.2
Judd McVee 11 28 16.5
Jake Lever 13 26 15.4
Christian Salem 13 24 26.3
Bayley Fritsch 13 24 15.8
Harrison Petty 13 23 30.3
Jake Bowey 10 22 18.1
Max Gawn 6 18 22.2
Marty Hore 8 18 11.8
Jack Billings 7 14 23.5
Tom McDonald 4 14 19.3
Jacob van Rooyen 6 14 17.4
Blake Howes 5 13 16.1
Jake Melksham 5 12 11.1
Adam Tomlinson 3 9 19.1
Daniel Turner 3 6 12.8
Tom Sparrow 1 1 41.7

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter For Against
1 43% 57%
2 37% 63%
3 42% 58%
4 58% 42%
Match 45% 55%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category Score Against Diff
Kick-in 1.0.6 0.1.1 +5
Centre Bounce 5.1.31 2.2.14 +17
Stoppage (Other) 7.2.44 1.1.7 +37
Turnover 5.6.36 6.5.41 -5
Score Source For Against
Match Season Match Season *
Kick-in 6 3.5 1 3.0
Centre Bounce 31 9.7 14 7.7
Stoppage (Other) 44 23.8 7 19.3
Turnover 36 41.5 41 47.7

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Gold Coast.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category Region For Against
Match Season Match Season *
Centre Bounce Centre 31 9.7 14 7.7
Kick-in D50 6 3.5 1 3.0
Stoppage (Other) D50 6 3.0 1 1.3
Stoppage (Other) Centre 1 2.2 0 1.9
Stoppage (Other) Wing 30 12.7 0 8.8
Stoppage (Other) F50 7 6.0 6 7.3
Turnover D50 15 9.1 14 9.0
Turnover Centre 6 7.7 0 6.9
Turnover Wing 8 17.6 20 25.5
Turnover F50 7 7.0 7 6.4
Region For Against
Match Season Match Season *
D50 27 15.5 16 13.2
Centre 38 19.6 14 16.4
Wing 38 30.4 20 34.4
F50 14 13.0 13 13.6
Region For Against
Match Season Match Season *
Defensive 50 27 15.5 16 13.2
Defensive midfield 19 16.1 0 18.4
Centre bounce 31 9.7 14 7.7
Attacking midfield 26 24.1 20 24.7
Forward 50 14 13.0 13 13.6

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Gold Coast.

Points from defensive half

For Against
Match Season Match Season *
46 31.7 16 31.6

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Gold Coast.

Centre Bounce Attendances

  CBAs CBA % 2024 % 2023 %
Max Gawn 25 83% 84.8% 64.9%
Jack Viney 23 77% 68.8% 72.1%
Trent Rivers 20 67% 29.0% 3.0%
Judd McVee 18 60% 4.0% 0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen 16 53% 17.5% 2.1%
Tom Sparrow 6 20% 37.7% 44.9%
Jacob van Rooyen 5 17% 18.1% 7.6%
Kysaiah Pickett 4 13% 34.3% 11.2%
Koltyn Tholstrup 3 10% 6.4%  
Christian Salem 0 0% 13.0% 0.0%
Harrison Petty 0 0% 7.9% 0.7%
Daniel Turner 0 0% 0.3% 0.0%
Tom McDonald 0 0% 0.0% 5.7%
Clayton Oliver     70.7% 81.4%
Christian Petracca     55.8% 61.1%
Bailey Laurie     8.3% 0.0%
Josh Schache     8.3% 0.0%
Charlie Spargo     4.2% 0.0%
Lachie Hunter     0.0% 0.2%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

  Ruck
Contests
RC % 2024 % 2023 %
Max Gawn 75 82% 80.8% 57.5%
Jacob van Rooyen 16 18% 18.0% 13.1%
Harrison Petty 0 0% 8.1% 2.0%
Daniel Turner 0 0% 3.2% 0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0% 0.0% 0.0%
Tom McDonald 0 0% 0.0% 9.3%
Tom Sparrow 0 0% 0.0% 0.0%
Josh Schache     13.3% 4.1%
Ben Brown     0.2% 2.3%
Christian Petracca     0.0% 0.4%
Clayton Oliver     0.0% 0.1%
Steven May     0.0% 0.0%

Hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
To Adv. %
(2024)
To Adv. %
(2023)
Max Gawn 75 33 8 28.2% 30.1%
Jacob van Rooyen 16 7 2 25.0% 31.1%
Daniel Turner 0 0 0 50.0%  
Harrison Petty 0 0 0 25.0% 25.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 0   0.0%
Tom McDonald 0 0 0   20.0%
Ben Brown       100.0% 0.0%
Josh Schache       100.0% 0.0%
Christian Petracca         100.0%

Opposition hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
Jarrod Witts 73 27 8
Mac Andrew 16 6 2
Jed Walter 3 1 1

Thanks Wheelo.

Can't recall us hitting the AFL average pressure rating too often this season

Post clearance loose ground ball

Contested possessions

Centre Clearances

Disposal Efficiency above AFL average

Kicking efficiency

Scores from stoppage️ *

Scores from turnover

* Haven't seen the game yet but looks like we went back to our old Melb way DNA!?  The Clarry out (inj) McVee in (CBA) factor!

Like a switch was flicked!!

Edited by Demon Dynasty

11 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Round 23, 2024 PF Stadium - Suns vs Demons

Our second best team rating for the year.

Where did that performance come from?  Only bettered in Rnd 1 vs the Dogs with a 72.4  A mere five months and 22 matches later!

Did it for Nibbler i assume?  Haven't watched the game yet but look at those top six ratings.  The second best result for the year.  A smidgen behind Rnd 11 vs the Saints (29.85)

Speaking of Nibbler that was also his best rated match of the season.

A break out game from Howes?  His best rated game so far for the redlegs.

Marty Hore cracking into the top 6.  Must have been pretty decent?

Kozzy with the lowest rated game for us (not counting Sparrow).  Not so good?

Player Rating Rank 2023 Season Rating % Change vs 2023
Jack Viney 6.425 1 3.707 73.3
Ed Langdon 5.625 2 3.057 84.0
A N-Bullen 5.150 3 2.532 103.4
C Salem 4.700 4 2.993 57.0
B Howes 4.125 5 2.235 84.6
M Hore 3.775 6 - -
T Rivers 3.625 7 3.696 -1.9
J Billings 3.300 8 - -
J Bowey 3.225 9 2.820 14.4
M Gawn 3.100 10 3.350 -7.5
T McDonald 3.100 10 2.054 50.9
K Chandler 2.850 12 2.265 25.8
K Tholstrup 2.750 13 - -
H Petty 2.650 14 2.718 -2.5
D Turner 2.625 15 1.825 43.8
A Tomlinson 2.600 16 2.915 -10.8
B Fritsch 2.550 17 2.324 9.7
J McVee 2.500 18 2.320 7.8
J Melksham > 54% 2.500 18 1.599 56.3
J V Rooyen 2.250 20 2.170 3.7
J Lever 1.900 21 3.131 -39.3
K Pickett 0.800 22 2.101 -61.9
T Sparrow < 16% 0.600 23 2.811 -78.7
Team Score 72.13   69.86 3.2
Top 6 29.80   24.43 22.0
Bottom 6 12.50   15.17 -17.6

< Subbed out TOG %

> Subbed in TOG %

 

Suns

Player Rating Rank
N Anderson 4.725 1
S Flanders 4.675 2
A Davies 3.950 3
T Miller 3.650 4
B Uwland 3.400 5
S Clohesy 3.400 5
C Ballard 3.375 7
J Witts 3.175 8
L Weller 2.550 9
M Rowell 2.525 10
W Graham 2.450 11
W Powell 2.225 12
S Collins 2.150 13
N Holman 2.000 14
C Budarick 1.825 15
B King 1.650 16
S Lemmens 1.600 17
J Rogers 0.950 18
B Humphrey 0.850 19
M Andrew 0.750 20
D Swallow > 23% 0.700 21
J Walter 0.575 22
B Long < 58% 0.500 23
Team Rating 53.15  
Top 6 23.80  
Bottom 6 5.43  

 

Combined Ratings

Player Rating Rank
Jack Viney 6.425 1
Ed Langdon 5.625 2
A N-Bullen 5.150 3
N Anderson 4.725 4
C Salem 4.700 5
S Flanders 4.675 6
B Howes 4.125 7
A Davies 3.950 8
M Hore 3.775 9
T Miller 3.650 10
T Rivers 3.625 11
B Uwland 3.400 12
S Clohesy 3.400 12
C Ballard 3.375 14
J Billings 3.300 15
J Bowey 3.225 16
J Witts 3.175 17
M Gawn 3.100 18
T McDonald 3.100 18
K Chandler 2.850 20
K Tholstrup 2.750 21
H Petty 2.650 22
D Turner 2.625 23
A Tomlinson 2.600 24
B Fritsch 2.550 25
L Weller 2.550 25
M Rowell 2.525 27
J McVee 2.500 28
J Melksham > 54% 2.500 28
W Graham 2.450 30
J V Rooyen 2.250 31
W Powell 2.225 32
S Collins 2.150 33
N Holman 2.000 34
J Lever 1.900 35
C Budarick 1.825 36
B King 1.650 38
S Lemmens 1.600 38
J Rogers 0.950 39
B Humphrey 0.850 40
K Pickett 0.800 41
M Andrew 0.750 42
D Swallow > 23% 0.700 43
T Sparrow < 16% 0.600 44
J Walter 0.575 45
B Long < 58% 0.500 46

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & foxsports.com.au

Thanks DD that was some game by the boys no wonder Suns “wilted”, great to see the team up above our ‘23 average and who would have thought that Blake Howes and Marty Hore would feature comfortably in our top 10. A lot to like about our game today.!!

 
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3 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Thanks DD that was some game by the boys no wonder Suns “wilted”, great to see the team up above our ‘23 average and who would have thought that Blake Howes and Marty Hore would feature comfortably in our top 10. A lot to like about our game today.!!

Some Twilight Zone moments DZ for sure.  Just about to watch now

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Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 23, 2024 vs H&A Season 2023

The penultimate season ratings before signing off against the filth.

Player 2024 Rating 2024 Rank 2023 Rating % Change vs 2023 2023 Rank Change in Rank vs 2023
C Petracca 4.476 1 4.707 -4.9 2 1
Max Gawn < 4.142 2 3.350 23.6 7 5
Steven May < 3.741 3 3.213 16.4 8 5
T Rivers 3.451 4 3.696 -6.6 5 1
C Salem < 3.370 5 2.993 12.6 12 7
C Oliver 3.364 6 5.002 -32.7 1 -5
Jack Viney 3.259 7 3.707 -12.1 4 -3
Jake Lever < 3.103 8 3.131 -0.9 9 1
Ed Langdon 3.100 9 3.057 1.4 10 1
A N-Bullen 3.043 10 2.532 20.2 20 10
T McDonald 2.929 11 2.054 42.6 27 16
Judd McVee 2.922 12 2.320 25.9 22 10
A Tomlinson 2.811 13 2.915 -3.6 14 1
J Bowey < 2.722 14 2.820 -3.5 15 1
M Hore > 2.534 15 - - - -
T Sparrow < 2.517 16 2.811 -10.5 16 0
K Pickett 2.428 17 2.101 15.6 26 9
J Billings < > 2.420 18 - - - -
B Howes 2.387 19 - - - -
C Windsor < 2.275 20 - - - -
K Chandler 2.208 21 2.265 -2.5 23 2
T Woewodin < > 2.156 22 1.406 53.3 34 12
B Laurie < > 2.111 23 2.235 -5.5 24 1
J V Rooyen < 2.081 24 2.170 -4.1 25 1
K Tholstrup < 1.934 25 - - - -
A M-Wakefield < 1.933 26 - - - -
J Melksham > 1.859 27 1.599 16.3 32 5
L Hunter* < 1.838 28 2.939 -37.5 13 -15
B Fritsch 1.788 29 2.324 -23.1 21 -8
H Petty < 1.540 30 2.718 -43.3 19 -11
S McAdam* 1.483 31 - - - -
Ben Brown < 1.391 32 1.941 -28.3 28 -4
D Turner < > 1.380 33 1.825 -24.4 31 -2
C Spargo* 1.200 34 1.886 -36.4 29 -5
J Schache* 0.700 35 1.525 -54.1 33 -2
K Brown* > 0.125 36 - - - -
Team Rating 65.36   69.86 -6.4    
Top 6 22.54   24.43 -7.7    
Bottom 6 13.87   15.17 -8.5    

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

< Subbed out at least once or more (player rating could be somewhat comprised)

> Subbed in at least once or more (player rating could be somewhat comprised)

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Edited by Demon Dynasty


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