Stats Files - 2024

[Kent 2,914]

43 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Bar Rivers entre' into the midfield and the progress of Windsor there hasn't been much to get excited about this season DZ.

70.5 is a big team rating for the Dogs and roughly where we were at in some matches in 2021.  We averaged 67.2 in the H&A season that year and posted a 69.5 in the GF

Daniels, with only 19% game time, pretty much matched the ratings of our two key small forwards in Pickett & Chandler!

Obviously they probably didn't get the service with inside 50s but regardless, we are nowhere near the level both in a form and a work rate sense since Round 9 vs the Blues which was three months ago now.

Combined Ratings

Player	Rating	Rank
M Bontempelli	6.200	1
A Treloar	5.800	2
B Dale	4.850	3
T Rivers	4.625	4
R Lobb	4.300	5
L Bramble	4.300	5
J Bowey	4.275	7
C Poulter	4.125	8
M Gawn	4.100	9
B Williams	4.075	10
T English	4.000	11
T Liberatore < 63%	3.725	12
J U-Hagan	3.500	13
C Weightman	3.125	14
R Garcia	3.050	15
C Oliver	2.975	16
T Sparrow	2.950	17
Sam Darcy	2.750	18
L Jones	2.650	19
Ed Langdon	2.525	20
Ed Richards	2.475	21
J V Rooyen	2.425	22
K Tholstrup	2.300	23
L Vandermeer	2.200	24
J McVee	2.200	24
J Lever	2.150	26
B Howes	1.925	27
A N-Bullen	1.875	28
Jack Viney	1.850	29
R West	1.850	29
S May < 40%	1.800	31
H Petty	1.800	31
B Khamis	1.750	33
A Naughton	1.600	34
T Duryea	1.600	34
T McDonald	1.525	36
T Woewodin	1.500	37
K Chandler	1.475	38
K Pickett	1.475	38
C Daniel > 19%	1.425	40
A M-Wakefield	1.300	41
B Fritsch	1.225	42
N Coffield	1.150	43
L McNeil	1.100	44
D Turner > 51%	0.575	45
J Melksham	0.250	46

What and absolute thrashing

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

2 hours ago, layzie said:

Like so many other hidden stats they have 'locked away' in their safe.

So annoying and I'm convinced they have a deal with the broadcasters so those of us who like stats will still listen to carp commentary and media shows. 

It's one big money making circus now L.

This stuff used to annoy me as well but over the years i've slowly learned to switch off.

Their decision making is mostly driven by that and has been for many decades now.

The same goes for the rule interpretations but that still gets to me as i feel it often changes momentum and the outcome of some games.  Probably for the same reasons above 😅

[layzie 34,013]

5 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

It's one big money making circus now L.

This stuff used to annoy me as well but over the years i've slowly learned to switch off.

Their decision making is mostly driven by that and has been for many decades now.

The same goes for the rule interpretations but that still gets to me as i feel it often changes momentum and the outcome of some games.  Probably for the same reasons above 😅

Yeah no point being triggered by anything they do, I still don't know why so many in the other threads allow themselves to be constantly outraged week after week. 

The stats thing doesn't make much sense though. Depending on the price, I would absolutely be open to a paid subscription for premium level statistics. Would there be enough demand for such a product? Not sure, but I would!

 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

3 minutes ago, layzie said:

Yeah no point being triggered by anything they do, I still don't know why so many in the other threads allow themselves to be constantly outraged week after week. 

The stats thing doesn't make much sense though. Depending on the price, I would absolutely be open to a paid subscription for premium level statistics. Would there be enough demand for such a product? Not sure, but I would!

 

Champion's no doubt targeted their business at corporates (broadcasters)  and clubs L.

Obviously the prices they're getting from them are in a diff league to anything you & i could afford.

But they could also possibly tier their packages and give a bit to the punters without giving all of the really core / key stuff away that they'd need to reserve for the corporates.

Unfortunately the punter is left having to listen / watch the 'experts' picking their way through and choosing from the best available stuff.  Some of which involves more $$ being forked out by the punter for shows on fox & Kayo (if they want).

[layzie 34,013]

2 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Champion's no doubt targeted their business at corporates (broadcasters)  and clubs L.

Obviously the prices they're getting from them are in a diff league to anything you & i could afford.

But they could also possibly tier their packages and give a bit to the punters without giving all of the really core / key stuff away that they'd need to reserve for the corporates.

Unfortunately the punter is left having to listen / watch the 'experts' picking their way through and choosing from the best available stuff.  Some of which involves more $$ being forked out by the punter for shows on fox & Kayo (if they want).

Yeah just something like that where you can access a bit more. It just seems at the moment like there are more useful stats that you just can't access and more useless stats like fantasy or dream team points. 

But it is clear how the system works, not a massive deal. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 21, 2024 vs H&A Season 2023

Player	2024 Rating	2024 Rank	2023 Rating	% Change vs 2023	2023 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2023
C Petracca	4.476	1	4.707	-4.9	2	1
Max Gawn <	4.106	2	3.350	22.6	7	5
Steven May	3.741	3	3.213	16.4	8	5
T Rivers	3.484	4	3.696	-5.7	5	1
C Oliver	3.464	5	5.002	-30.7	1	-4
Jake Lever <	3.268	6	3.131	4.4	9	3
C Salem <	3.226	7	2.993	7.8	12	5
Jack Viney	3.088	8	3.707	-16.7	4	-4
Ed Langdon	3.029	9	3.057	-0.9	10	1
Judd McVee	3.006	10	2.320	29.6	22	12
T McDonald	2.933	11	2.054	42.8	27	16
A N-Bullen	2.929	12	2.532	15.7	20	8
A Tomlinson	2.915	13	2.915	0.0	14	1
J Bowey <	2.679	14	2.820	-5.0	15	1
K Pickett	2.461	15	2.101	17.1	26	11
T Sparrow	2.437	16	2.811	-13.3	16	0
B Howes	2.315	17	-	-	-	-
J Billings < >	2.309	18	-	-	-	-
C Windsor <	2.275	19	-	-	-	-
M Hore	2.273	20	-	-	-	-
K Chandler	2.181	21	2.265	-3.7	23	2
T Woewodin < >	2.156	22	1.406	53.3	34	12
J V Rooyen	2.121	23	2.170	-2.3	25	2
B Laurie < >	2.111	24	2.235	-5.5	24	0
A M-Wakefield	1.933	25	-	-	-	-
L Hunter* <	1.838	26	2.939	-37.5	13	-13
K Tholstrup	1.808	27	-	-	-	-
B Fritsch	1.769	28	2.324	-23.9	21	-7
J Melksham	1.580	29	1.599	-1.2	32	3
H Petty <	1.540	30	2.718	-43.3	19	-11
S McAdam*	1.483	31	-	-	-	-
Ben Brown <	1.391	32	1.941	-28.3	28	-4
D Turner	1.316	33	1.825	-27.9	31	-2
C Spargo*	1.200	34	1.886	-36.4	29	-5
J Schache*	0.700	35	1.525	-54.1	33	-2
K Brown* >	0.125	36	-	-	-	-
Team Rating	64.75		69.86	-7.3
Top 6	22.54		24.43	-7.7
Bottom 6	13.51		15.17	-10.9

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

< Subbed out at least once or more (player rating could be somewhat comprised)

> Subbed in at least once or more (player rating could be somewhat comprised)

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

Melbourne v Port Adelaide (Round 22, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20242206

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff
Disposal Efficiency	65.4	73.8	-8.4
Kicking Efficiency	61.5	69.5	-8.0
Metres Gained	6033	6176	-143
Inside 50s	48	56	-8
Shots At Goal	19	26	-7
Shots Per Inside 50	39.6	46.4	-6.8
Contested Possessions	160	130	+30
Ground Ball Gets	102	92	+10
Intercepts	80	78	+2
Intercept Marks	14	17	-3
Centre Clearances	8	9	-1
Stoppage Clearances	23	26	-3
Contested Marks	13	6	+7
Marks Inside 50	7	13	-6
Hitouts	32	29	+3
Hitouts To Advantage	15	9	+6
Tackles	60	62	-2
Tackles Inside 50	18	6	+12
Def One On One Loss %	9.1	33.3	-24.2

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	5	2	+3
Loose Ball Get	15	12	+3
Contested Mark	2	3	-1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	1	0	+1
Gather From Hitout	4	0	+4
Contested Knock On	1	1	0
Free For	5	0	+5
Total	33	18	+15
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	7	4	+3
Loose Ball Get	16	17	-1
Contested Mark	1	0	+1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	1	1	0
Gather From Hitout	0	2	-2
Contested Knock On	0	1	-1
Free For	1	2	-1
Total	26	27	-1
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	25	15	+10
Loose Ball Get	58	56	+2
Contested Mark	13	6	+7
Contested Knock On	4	3	+1
Free For	18	10	+8
Total	118	90	+28
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	6	3	+3
Loose Ball Get	13	18	-5
Ruck Hard Ball Get	5	4	+1
Gather From Hitout	14	9	+5
Contested Knock On	1	3	-2
Free For	3	3	0
Total	42	40	+2

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.
• Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.
• 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	Rushed	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	63.6	51	2	11%			+18.2
Port Adelaide	83.8	53	5	89%	+20.2	+2

Team	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	19	7.7.49	36.8%	61.6	−12.6	3.24	−0.66
Port Adelaide	26	7.6.48	26.9%	78.8	−30.8	3.03	−1.18
General Play
Melbourne	11	3.6.24	27.3%	32.9	−8.9	2.99	−0.81
Port Adelaide	16	2.5.17	12.5%	44.4	−27.4	2.77	−1.71
Set Position
Melbourne	8	4.1.25	50.0%	28.7	−3.7	3.59	−0.47
Port Adelaide	10	5.1.31	50.0%	34.4	−3.4	3.44	−0.34

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
• +/-: total score above or below expected score.
• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

 

 

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	182	194	-12
2	154	162	-8
3	199	185	+14
4	182	204	-22
Match	179	186	-7

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Kysaiah Pickett	25	57	43.7
Alex Neal-Bullen	24	54	53.8
Clayton Oliver	22	52	46.3
Harrison Petty	18	50	30.7
Jack Viney	19	47	55.8
Kade Chandler	19	43	44.9
Ed Langdon	15	40	31.8
Tom Sparrow	16	34	43.7
Trent Rivers	15	32	29.7
Koltyn Tholstrup	17	31	35.5
Jack Billings	13	30	24.2
Judd McVee	12	28	15.9
Christian Salem	10	23	26.5
Daniel Turner	11	19	13.3
Tom McDonald	9	18	19.6
Adam Tomlinson	7	16	20.8
Jake Lever	8	16	14.8
Max Gawn	6	15	22.4
Blake Howes	6	15	16.4
Bayley Fritsch	5	11	15.4
Jacob van Rooyen	5	9	17.5
Marty Hore	4	8	10.2
Jake Melksham	0	0	11.0

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter	For	Against
1	61%	39%
2	49%	51%
3	36%	64%
4	49%	51%
Match	49%	51%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	1.0.6	0.0.0	+6
Centre Bounce	0.1.1	1.3.9	-8
Stoppage (Other)	2.4.16	2.2.14	+2
Turnover	4.4.28	4.6.30	-2

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	6	3.3	0	3.0
Centre Bounce	1	8.7	9	7.4
Stoppage (Other)	16	22.9	14	19.9
Turnover	28	41.8	30	48.0

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Port Adelaide.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category	Region	For		Against
		Match	Season	Match	Season *
Centre Bounce	Centre	1	8.7	9	7.4
Kick-in	D50	6	3.3	0	3.0
Stoppage (Other)	D50	12	2.8	1	1.3
Stoppage (Other)	Centre	0	2.2	0	2.0
Stoppage (Other)	Wing	3	11.9	6	9.2
Stoppage (Other)	F50	1	5.9	7	7.3
Turnover	D50	12	8.9	6	8.7
Turnover	Centre	6	7.8	7	7.2
Turnover	Wing	6	18.1	16	25.8
Turnover	F50	4	7.0	1	6.3

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
D50	30	15.0	7	13.1
Centre	7	18.7	16	16.5
Wing	9	30.0	22	35.0
F50	5	13.0	8	13.7

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	30	15.0	7	13.1
Defensive midfield	7	16.0	21	19.2
Centre bounce	1	8.7	9	7.4
Attacking midfield	8	24.0	8	25.0
Forward 50	5	13.0	8	13.7

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Port Adelaide.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
37	31.0	28	32.3

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Port Adelaide.

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	17	94%	84.9%	64.9%
Jack Viney	13	72%	68.3%	72.1%
Tom Sparrow	11	61%	38.7%	44.9%
Trent Rivers	11	61%	26.9%	3.0%
Clayton Oliver	9	50%	70.7%	81.4%
Kysaiah Pickett	5	28%	35.5%	11.2%
Judd McVee	4	22%	0.9%	0.0%
Jacob van Rooyen	1	6%	18.2%	7.6%
Koltyn Tholstrup	1	6%	5.8%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0%	15.6%	2.1%
Christian Salem	0	0%	14.0%	0.0%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	8.4%	0.7%
Daniel Turner	0	0%	0.3%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	5.7%
Christian Petracca			55.8%	61.1%
Bailey Laurie			8.3%	0.0%
Josh Schache			8.3%	0.0%
Charlie Spargo			4.2%	0.0%
Lachie Hunter			0.0%	0.2%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	53	69%	80.7%	57.5%
Jacob van Rooyen	14	18%	18.0%	13.1%
Harrison Petty	8	10%	8.5%	2.0%
Daniel Turner	2	3%	3.5%	0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Clayton Oliver	0	0%	0.0%	0.1%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	9.3%
Tom Sparrow	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache			13.3%	4.1%
Ben Brown			0.2%	2.3%
Christian Petracca			0.0%	0.4%
Steven May			0.0%	0.0%

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2024)	To Adv. % (2023)
Max Gawn	53	30	15	28.4%	30.1%
Harrison Petty	8	2	0	25.0%	25.0%
Daniel Turner	2	0	0	50.0%
Jacob van Rooyen	14	0	0	24.7%	31.1%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0		0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0	0		20.0%
Ben Brown				100.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache				100.0%	0.0%
Christian Petracca					100.0%

Opposition hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Jordon Sweet	61	27	8
Charlie Dixon	16	2	1

[Swooper1987 3,322]

After last night, Gawn is the fourth highest rated player across the season, behind only Bontempelli, Cripps and Rankine (just).  It's Gawn's best individual rated season since his back to back Bluey years of 18 and 19.  He is 10 places higher than Xerri.  He is a remarkable player.

[middleagedemon 325]

When you see Clayton Oliver named at number 3 for pressure acts, you know you should no longer be following champion data..

Stats files need to chill. 

[Adam The God 30,420]

On 05/08/2024 at 19:33, middleagedemon said:

Where's binman to pull some gems from these stats and let us all know we're doomsdayers but we're precisely on track?! 

He's gone missing recently, this is his thread isn't it?! 

Remember you said you weren't going to play the man on return, Jimmy?

This is a completely unnecessary post. Things change. Last year you were needlessly neggy when we where a whisker away from a PF twice.

Let's park the attacks and have a bit of constructive analysis.

Apart from getting some kids through the draft, how would you improve the team next year?

[middleagedemon 325]

11 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

Remember you said you weren't going to play the man on return, Jimmy?

This is a completely unnecessary post. Things change. Last year you were needlessly neggy when we where a whisker away from a PF twice.

Let's park the attacks and have a bit of constructive analysis.

Apart from getting some kids through the draft, how would you improve the team next year?

'Attack' is a bit strong my old mate, but point taken. 

The constant goal post shifting and finding any excuse possible outside of pointing the finger at our list and coaching becomes tiresome though, it's got to be acknowledged. 

It's head in the sand kind of stuff! 

I made a long post in a thread last week regarding where I think we need to put our energy and attention as a club, I can't remember the thread. Could be the trade targets one?

I take your point, will tone down and target posters less. 

[Adam The God 30,420]

2 hours ago, middleagedemon said:

'Attack' is a bit strong my old mate, but point taken. 

The constant goal post shifting and finding any excuse possible outside of pointing the finger at our list and coaching becomes tiresome though, it's got to be acknowledged. 

It's head in the sand kind of stuff! 

I made a long post in a thread last week regarding where I think we need to put our energy and attention as a club, I can't remember the thread. Could be the trade targets one?

I take your point, will tone down and target posters less. 

I don't always agree with you, but have always liked you as a poster, and most of the time you're constructive. 

I also think there's acknowledging factors that put together are not head in the sand, but legitimate for any analysis, but we've been there before, so I'll park it here.

[binman 43,811]

On 11/08/2024 at 07:40, WheeloRatings said:

Melbourne v Port Adelaide (Round 22, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20242206

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff
Disposal Efficiency	65.4	73.8	-8.4
Kicking Efficiency	61.5	69.5	-8.0
Metres Gained	6033	6176	-143
Inside 50s	48	56	-8
Shots At Goal	19	26	-7
Shots Per Inside 50	39.6	46.4	-6.8
Contested Possessions	160	130	+30
Ground Ball Gets	102	92	+10
Intercepts	80	78	+2
Intercept Marks	14	17	-3
Centre Clearances	8	9	-1
Stoppage Clearances	23	26	-3
Contested Marks	13	6	+7
Marks Inside 50	7	13	-6
Hitouts	32	29	+3
Hitouts To Advantage	15	9	+6
Tackles	60	62	-2
Tackles Inside 50	18	6	+12
Def One On One Loss %	9.1	33.3	-24.2

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	5	2	+3
Loose Ball Get	15	12	+3
Contested Mark	2	3	-1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	1	0	+1
Gather From Hitout	4	0	+4
Contested Knock On	1	1	0
Free For	5	0	+5
Total	33	18	+15
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	7	4	+3
Loose Ball Get	16	17	-1
Contested Mark	1	0	+1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	1	1	0
Gather From Hitout	0	2	-2
Contested Knock On	0	1	-1
Free For	1	2	-1
Total	26	27	-1
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	25	15	+10
Loose Ball Get	58	56	+2
Contested Mark	13	6	+7
Contested Knock On	4	3	+1
Free For	18	10	+8
Total	118	90	+28
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	6	3	+3
Loose Ball Get	13	18	-5
Ruck Hard Ball Get	5	4	+1
Gather From Hitout	14	9	+5
Contested Knock On	1	3	-2
Free For	3	3	0
Total	42	40	+2

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.
• Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.
• 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	Rushed	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	63.6	51	2	11%			+18.2
Port Adelaide	83.8	53	5	89%	+20.2	+2

Team	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	19	7.7.49	36.8%	61.6	−12.6	3.24	−0.66
Port Adelaide	26	7.6.48	26.9%	78.8	−30.8	3.03	−1.18
General Play
Melbourne	11	3.6.24	27.3%	32.9	−8.9	2.99	−0.81
Port Adelaide	16	2.5.17	12.5%	44.4	−27.4	2.77	−1.71
Set Position
Melbourne	8	4.1.25	50.0%	28.7	−3.7	3.59	−0.47
Port Adelaide	10	5.1.31	50.0%	34.4	−3.4	3.44	−0.34

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
• +/-: total score above or below expected score.
• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

 

 

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	182	194	-12
2	154	162	-8
3	199	185	+14
4	182	204	-22
Match	179	186	-7

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Kysaiah Pickett	25	57	43.7
Alex Neal-Bullen	24	54	53.8
Clayton Oliver	22	52	46.3
Harrison Petty	18	50	30.7
Jack Viney	19	47	55.8
Kade Chandler	19	43	44.9
Ed Langdon	15	40	31.8
Tom Sparrow	16	34	43.7
Trent Rivers	15	32	29.7
Koltyn Tholstrup	17	31	35.5
Jack Billings	13	30	24.2
Judd McVee	12	28	15.9
Christian Salem	10	23	26.5
Daniel Turner	11	19	13.3
Tom McDonald	9	18	19.6
Adam Tomlinson	7	16	20.8
Jake Lever	8	16	14.8
Max Gawn	6	15	22.4
Blake Howes	6	15	16.4
Bayley Fritsch	5	11	15.4
Jacob van Rooyen	5	9	17.5
Marty Hore	4	8	10.2
Jake Melksham	0	0	11.0

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter	For	Against
1	61%	39%
2	49%	51%
3	36%	64%
4	49%	51%
Match	49%	51%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	1.0.6	0.0.0	+6
Centre Bounce	0.1.1	1.3.9	-8
Stoppage (Other)	2.4.16	2.2.14	+2
Turnover	4.4.28	4.6.30	-2

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	6	3.3	0	3.0
Centre Bounce	1	8.7	9	7.4
Stoppage (Other)	16	22.9	14	19.9
Turnover	28	41.8	30	48.0

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Port Adelaide.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category	Region	For		Against
		Match	Season	Match	Season *
Centre Bounce	Centre	1	8.7	9	7.4
Kick-in	D50	6	3.3	0	3.0
Stoppage (Other)	D50	12	2.8	1	1.3
Stoppage (Other)	Centre	0	2.2	0	2.0
Stoppage (Other)	Wing	3	11.9	6	9.2
Stoppage (Other)	F50	1	5.9	7	7.3
Turnover	D50	12	8.9	6	8.7
Turnover	Centre	6	7.8	7	7.2
Turnover	Wing	6	18.1	16	25.8
Turnover	F50	4	7.0	1	6.3

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
D50	30	15.0	7	13.1
Centre	7	18.7	16	16.5
Wing	9	30.0	22	35.0
F50	5	13.0	8	13.7

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	30	15.0	7	13.1
Defensive midfield	7	16.0	21	19.2
Centre bounce	1	8.7	9	7.4
Attacking midfield	8	24.0	8	25.0
Forward 50	5	13.0	8	13.7

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Port Adelaide.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
37	31.0	28	32.3

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Port Adelaide.

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	17	94%	84.9%	64.9%
Jack Viney	13	72%	68.3%	72.1%
Tom Sparrow	11	61%	38.7%	44.9%
Trent Rivers	11	61%	26.9%	3.0%
Clayton Oliver	9	50%	70.7%	81.4%
Kysaiah Pickett	5	28%	35.5%	11.2%
Judd McVee	4	22%	0.9%	0.0%
Jacob van Rooyen	1	6%	18.2%	7.6%
Koltyn Tholstrup	1	6%	5.8%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0%	15.6%	2.1%
Christian Salem	0	0%	14.0%	0.0%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	8.4%	0.7%
Daniel Turner	0	0%	0.3%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	5.7%
Christian Petracca			55.8%	61.1%
Bailey Laurie			8.3%	0.0%
Josh Schache			8.3%	0.0%
Charlie Spargo			4.2%	0.0%
Lachie Hunter			0.0%	0.2%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	53	69%	80.7%	57.5%
Jacob van Rooyen	14	18%	18.0%	13.1%
Harrison Petty	8	10%	8.5%	2.0%
Daniel Turner	2	3%	3.5%	0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Clayton Oliver	0	0%	0.0%	0.1%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	9.3%
Tom Sparrow	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache			13.3%	4.1%
Ben Brown			0.2%	2.3%
Christian Petracca			0.0%	0.4%
Steven May			0.0%	0.0%

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2024)	To Adv. % (2023)
Max Gawn	53	30	15	28.4%	30.1%
Harrison Petty	8	2	0	25.0%	25.0%
Daniel Turner	2	0	0	50.0%
Jacob van Rooyen	14	0	0	24.7%	31.1%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0		0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0	0		20.0%
Ben Brown				100.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache				100.0%	0.0%
Christian Petracca					100.0%

Opposition hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Jordon Sweet	61	27	8
Charlie Dixon	16	2	1

 @WheeloRatings - the x scores don't look right

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

16 hours ago, binman said:

 @WheeloRatings - the x scores don't look right

The expected score for Port may be a little higher than others as I include the rushed behinds and Port had five. This may overinflate an expected score as there may also have been a shot at goal in that chain which was already included in the expected score.

AFLxScore on Twitter had the expected scores as 62.2 (+1 rushed) to 76.7 (+0 rushed) and Champion Data had the expected scores as 67 to 80, so not significantly different to 61.6 (+2 rushed) to 78.8 (+5 rushed). The difference between my model and AFLxScore's is basically the rushed behinds which they handle differently to me. I will aim review this in the off season.

Does this explain it, or does it still not seem right?

 

 

 

[binman 43,811]

7 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

The expected score for Port may be a little higher than others as I include the rushed behinds and Port had five. This may overinflate an expected score as there may also have been a shot at goal in that chain which was already included in the expected score.

AFLxScore on Twitter had the expected scores as 62.2 (+1 rushed) to 76.7 (+0 rushed) and Champion Data had the expected scores as 67 to 80, so not significantly different to 61.6 (+2 rushed) to 78.8 (+5 rushed). The difference between my model and AFLxScore's is basically the rushed behinds which they handle differently to me. I will aim review this in the off season.

Does this explain it, or does it still not seem right?

 

 

 

@WheeloRatings I was about to post:

I'll preface this with an admission maths isn't my strong suit (well if you don't count calculating betting returns) and that perhaps i'm just having a brain fade, but it still doesn't look right. 

At the very real risk of embarrassing myself (something i AM good at), looking at the data for Port's overall score, which i get excludes rushed behinds it is 7.6.48, so 13 scoring shots in total.  

If Port converted ALL 13 scoring shots into goals that would be 78 points. Yet the expected score is 78.8

I'm glad i didn't because i just realised my error.

They didn't have 13 scoring shots, they had 26!

I assume five of those 26 shots were rushed behinds.

Am i right in sating that means that on 8 occasions they either didn't make the distance (and it wasn't knocked though for a point) or kicked it on the full?   

On a night that was still and dry that seems an awful lot of shots at goal that failed to register a score.

Edited August 13 by binman

[DeeZone 10,130]

1 hour ago, binman said:

@WheeloRatings I was about to post:

I'll preface this with an admission maths isn't my strong suit (well if you don't count calculating betting returns) and that perhaps i'm just having a brain fade, but it still doesn't look right. 

At the very real risk of embarrassing myself (something i AM good at), looking at the data for Port's overall score, which i get excludes rushed behinds it is 7.6.48, so 13 scoring shots in total.  

If Port converted ALL 13 scoring shots into goals that would be 78 points. Yet the expected score is 78.8

I'm glad i didn't because i just realised my error.

They didn't have 13 scoring shots, they had 26!

I assume five of those 26 shots were rushed behinds.

Am i right in sating that means that on 8 occasions they either didn't make the distance (and it wasn't knocked though for a point) or kicked it on the full?   

On a night that was still and dry that seems an awful lot of shots at goal that failed to register a score.

I think that we intercept marked a few in the goal square as well?

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

1 hour ago, binman said:

@WheeloRatings I was about to post:

I'll preface this with an admission maths isn't my strong suit (well if you don't count calculating betting returns) and that perhaps i'm just having a brain fade, but it still doesn't look right. 

At the very real risk of embarrassing myself (something i AM good at), looking at the data for Port's overall score, which i get excludes rushed behinds it is 7.6.48, so 13 scoring shots in total.  

If Port converted ALL 13 scoring shots into goals that would be 78 points. Yet the expected score is 78.8

I'm glad i didn't because i just realised my error.

They didn't have 13 scoring shots, they had 26!

I assume five of those 26 shots were rushed behinds.

Am i right in sating that means that on 8 occasions they either didn't make the distance (and it wasn't knocked though for a point) or kicked it on the full?   

On a night that was still and dry that seems an awful lot of shots at goal that failed to register a score.

Yes, that's correct. They had 26 shots in total - up to five of those resulted in a rushed behind and therefore at least eight didn't register a score at all. One was a shot by JHF which was smothered off the boot, so they can also count as a shot if it was deemed to be a genuine shot at goal.

I say "up to five" rushed as a rushed behind may not follow a shot, but I haven't checked to see whether this was the case for any of Port's rushed behinds.

Yes, it does seem like a reasonably high proportion of their shots not registering a score, but I haven't looked into how it compares to other teams across the season.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Round 22, 2024 MCG - Demons vs Power

Our champ having a horror finish to the season.  I don't have the desire to troll through the records but i suspect this is Clarry's worst rated game for the year.

He also finished in the bottom quartile of all player ratings.

Why would you keep pushing a player so out of form to keep on keeping on?  Surely manage him through till the end of the season both in this match just gone and from here on.  Or... let him choose between that and playing a few chilled games at Casey.   If his finger has flared up again and causing more woes then why play him at all?

Max having a super game with his number one 5.82 rating reflecting this.  However, he did produce a much higher rating and his best for the season in Rnd 11 vs the Saints with a massive 7.20

Pretty ordinary result from JVR and it would appear Melky may have hit the wall with the same poor rating as last week.

The team rating was still a fair way off Port's with their top six rated players having a slight edge over ours.  Although a -22% result vs 2023's rating is an improvement on -30% the previous week vs the Dogs.

Salem, Vines, Pickett, ANB & Petty putting their best foot forward.  And finally a substantial contribution from Sparrow.  The stint at Casey appears to have helped his game since returning last week!

Player	Rating	Rank	2023 Season Rating	% Change vs 2023
M Gawn	5.825	1	3.350	73.9
C Salem	3.900	2	2.993	30.3
T Sparrow	3.850	3	2.811	37.0
Jack Viney	3.525	4	3.707	-4.9
K Pickett	3.450	5	2.101	64.2
A N-Bullen	3.225	6	2.532	27.4
H Petty	3.025	7	2.718	11.3
T McDonald	2.675	8	2.054	30.2
J Billings	2.650	9	-	-
T Rivers	2.625	10	3.696	-29.0
A Tomlinson	2.500	11	2.915	-14.2
K Chandler	2.100	12	2.265	-7.3
K Tholstrup	1.925	13	-	-
Ed Langdon	1.925	13	3.057	-37.0
M Hore	1.925	13	-	-
J Lever	1.825	16	3.131	-41.7
J McVee	1.650	17	2.320	-28.9
B Howes	1.575	18	2.235	-29.5
B Fritsch	1.400	19	2.324	-39.8
C Oliver	1.375	20	5.002	-72.5
D Turner	0.825	21	1.825	-54.8
J V Rooyen < 63%	0.425	22	2.170	-80.4
J Melksham > 19%	0.250	23	1.599	-84.4
Team Score	54.20		69.86	-22.4
Top 6	23.78		24.43	-2.7
Bottom 6	7.25		15.17	-52.2

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Power

Player	Rating	Rank
T Boak	5.750	1
D Houston	4.450	2
C Rozee	4.250	3
J H-Francis	3.975	4
Z Butters	3.925	5
K Farrell	3.575	6
J Burgoyne	3.425	7
A Aliir	3.200	8
B Z-Thatcher	3.075	9
W Drew	3.000	10
O Wines	2.900	11
J Sweet	2.375	12
M Bergman	2.350	13
L Evans	2.300	14
L Jones	2.175	15
C Dixon	1.900	16
D B-Jones	1.875	17
Q Narkle > 47%	1.425	18
J Mead	1.375	19
W Rioli	1.250	20
T Marshall < 30%	1.125	21
E Ratugolea	0.550	22
F Evans	0.350	23
Team Rating	60.23
Top 6	25.93
Bottom 6	7.60

Combined Ratings

Player	Rating	Rank
M Gawn	5.825	1
T Boak	5.750	2
D Houston	4.450	3
C Rozee	4.250	4
J H-Francis	3.975	5
Z Butters	3.925	6
C Salem	3.900	7
T Sparrow	3.850	8
K Farrell	3.575	9
Jack Viney	3.525	10
K Pickett	3.450	11
J Burgoyne	3.425	12
A N-Bullen	3.225	13
A Aliir	3.200	14
B Z-Thatcher	3.075	15
H Petty	3.025	16
W Drew	3.000	17
O Wines	2.900	18
T McDonald	2.675	19
J Billings	2.650	20
T Rivers	2.625	21
A Tomlinson	2.500	22
J Sweet	2.375	23
M Bergman	2.350	24
L Evans	2.300	25
L Jones	2.175	26
K Chandler	2.100	27
K Tholstrup	1.925	28
Ed Langdon	1.925	28
M Hore	1.925	28
C Dixon	1.900	31
D B-Jones	1.875	32
J Lever	1.825	33
J McVee	1.650	34
B Howes	1.575	35
Q Narkle > 47%	1.425	36
B Fritsch	1.400	37
J Mead	1.375	38
C Oliver	1.375	38
W Rioli	1.250	40
T Marshall < 30%	1.125	41
D Turner	0.825	42
E Ratugolea	0.550	43
J V Rooyen < 63%	0.425	44
F Evans	0.350	45
J Melksham > 19%	0.250	46

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Edited August 13 by Demon Dynasty

[DeeZone 10,130]

Thanks DD, we had a better spread of players this week and for some reason we are almost getting the job done with fewer touches. 😁

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Round 23, 2024 PF Stadium - Suns vs Demons

Our second best team rating for the year.

Where did that performance come from?  Only bettered in Rnd 1 vs the Dogs with a 72.4  A mere five months and 22 matches later!

Did it for Nibbler i assume?  Haven't watched the game yet but look at those top six ratings.  The second best result for the year.  A smidgen behind Rnd 11 vs the Saints (29.85)

Speaking of Nibbler that was also his best rated match of the season.

A break out game from Howes?  His best rated game so far for the redlegs.

Marty Hore cracking into the top 6.  Must have been pretty decent?

Kozzy with the lowest rated game for us (not counting Sparrow).  Not so good?

Player	Rating	Rank	2023 Season Rating	% Change vs 2023
Jack Viney	6.425	1	3.707	73.3
Ed Langdon	5.625	2	3.057	84.0
A N-Bullen	5.150	3	2.532	103.4
C Salem	4.700	4	2.993	57.0
B Howes	4.125	5	2.235	84.6
M Hore	3.775	6	-	-
T Rivers	3.625	7	3.696	-1.9
J Billings	3.300	8	-	-
J Bowey	3.225	9	2.820	14.4
M Gawn	3.100	10	3.350	-7.5
T McDonald	3.100	10	2.054	50.9
K Chandler	2.850	12	2.265	25.8
K Tholstrup	2.750	13	-	-
H Petty	2.650	14	2.718	-2.5
D Turner	2.625	15	1.825	43.8
A Tomlinson	2.600	16	2.915	-10.8
B Fritsch	2.550	17	2.324	9.7
J McVee	2.500	18	2.320	7.8
J Melksham > 54%	2.500	18	1.599	56.3
J V Rooyen	2.250	20	2.170	3.7
J Lever	1.900	21	3.131	-39.3
K Pickett	0.800	22	2.101	-61.9
T Sparrow < 16%	0.600	23	2.811	-78.7
Team Score	72.13		69.86	3.2
Top 6	29.80		24.43	22.0
Bottom 6	12.50		15.17	-17.6

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Suns

Player	Rating	Rank
N Anderson	4.725	1
S Flanders	4.675	2
A Davies	3.950	3
T Miller	3.650	4
B Uwland	3.400	5
S Clohesy	3.400	5
C Ballard	3.375	7
J Witts	3.175	8
L Weller	2.550	9
M Rowell	2.525	10
W Graham	2.450	11
W Powell	2.225	12
S Collins	2.150	13
N Holman	2.000	14
C Budarick	1.825	15
B King	1.650	16
S Lemmens	1.600	17
J Rogers	0.950	18
B Humphrey	0.850	19
M Andrew	0.750	20
D Swallow > 23%	0.700	21
J Walter	0.575	22
B Long < 58%	0.500	23
Team Rating	53.15
Top 6	23.80
Bottom 6	5.43

 

Combined Ratings

Player	Rating	Rank
Jack Viney	6.425	1
Ed Langdon	5.625	2
A N-Bullen	5.150	3
N Anderson	4.725	4
C Salem	4.700	5
S Flanders	4.675	6
B Howes	4.125	7
A Davies	3.950	8
M Hore	3.775	9
T Miller	3.650	10
T Rivers	3.625	11
B Uwland	3.400	12
S Clohesy	3.400	12
C Ballard	3.375	14
J Billings	3.300	15
J Bowey	3.225	16
J Witts	3.175	17
M Gawn	3.100	18
T McDonald	3.100	18
K Chandler	2.850	20
K Tholstrup	2.750	21
H Petty	2.650	22
D Turner	2.625	23
A Tomlinson	2.600	24
B Fritsch	2.550	25
L Weller	2.550	25
M Rowell	2.525	27
J McVee	2.500	28
J Melksham > 54%	2.500	28
W Graham	2.450	30
J V Rooyen	2.250	31
W Powell	2.225	32
S Collins	2.150	33
N Holman	2.000	34
J Lever	1.900	35
C Budarick	1.825	36
B King	1.650	38
S Lemmens	1.600	38
J Rogers	0.950	39
B Humphrey	0.850	40
K Pickett	0.800	41
M Andrew	0.750	42
D Swallow > 23%	0.700	43
T Sparrow < 16%	0.600	44
J Walter	0.575	45
B Long < 58%	0.500	46

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & foxsports.com.au

Edited August 17 by Demon Dynasty

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

Melbourne v Gold Coast (Round 23, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20242303

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff
Disposal Efficiency	77.7	71.3	+6.4
Kicking Efficiency	72.3	63.3	+9.0
Metres Gained	6274	5576	+698
Inside 50s	54	49	+5
Shots At Goal	29	18	+11
Shots Per Inside 50	53.7	36.7	+17.0
Contested Possessions	121	111	+10
Ground Ball Gets	82	74	+8
Intercepts	67	63	+4
Intercept Marks	16	17	-1
Centre Clearances	18	7	+11
Stoppage Clearances	27	29	-2
Contested Marks	11	5	+6
Marks Inside 50	16	8	+8
Hitouts	40	34	+6
Hitouts To Advantage	10	11	-1
Tackles	50	47	+3
Tackles Inside 50	9	9	+0
Def One On One Loss %	20.0	35.3	-15.3

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	6	4	+2
Loose Ball Get	14	10	+4
Contested Mark	1	0	+1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	0	2	-2
Gather From Hitout	2	1	+1
Contested Knock On	0	1	-1
Free For	1	2	-1
Total	24	20	+4
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	4	8	-4
Loose Ball Get	7	7	0
Contested Mark	3	2	+1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	2	0	+2
Gather From Hitout	1	1	0
Free For	1	2	-1
Total	18	20	-2
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	14	16	-2
Loose Ball Get	43	32	+11
Contested Mark	11	5	+6
Contested Knock On	1	5	-4
Free For	7	10	-3
Total	76	68	+8
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	6	7	-1
Loose Ball Get	19	19	0
Ruck Hard Ball Get	5	2	+3
Gather From Hitout	9	11	-2
Contested Knock On	4	2	+2
Free For	2	2	0
Total	45	43	+2

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.
• Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.
• 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	Rushed	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	102.7	117	0	99%	+40.9	+54	+13.1
Gold Coast	61.8	63	1	1%

Team	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	29	18.9.117	62.1%	102.7	+14.3	3.54	+0.49
Gold Coast	18	9.8.62	50.0%	60.8	+1.2	3.38	+0.07
General Play
Melbourne	12	4.6.30	33.3%	37.7	−7.7	3.15	−0.65
Gold Coast	8	5.3.33	62.5%	22.6	+10.4	2.82	+1.31
Set Position
Melbourne	17	14.3.87	82.4%	65.0	+22.0	3.82	+1.30
Gold Coast	10	4.5.29	40.0%	38.3	−9.3	3.83	−0.93

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
• +/-: total score above or below expected score.
• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	184	171	+13
2	174	182	-8
3	197	174	+23
4	167	175	-8
Match	181	175	+6

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Jack Viney	31	83	57.0
Koltyn Tholstrup	24	53	37.4
Alex Neal-Bullen	20	51	53.7
Trent Rivers	22	41	30.2
Kade Chandler	17	35	44.5
Ed Langdon	16	35	32.0
Kysaiah Pickett	19	34	43.2
Judd McVee	11	28	16.5
Jake Lever	13	26	15.4
Christian Salem	13	24	26.3
Bayley Fritsch	13	24	15.8
Harrison Petty	13	23	30.3
Jake Bowey	10	22	18.1
Max Gawn	6	18	22.2
Marty Hore	8	18	11.8
Jack Billings	7	14	23.5
Tom McDonald	4	14	19.3
Jacob van Rooyen	6	14	17.4
Blake Howes	5	13	16.1
Jake Melksham	5	12	11.1
Adam Tomlinson	3	9	19.1
Daniel Turner	3	6	12.8
Tom Sparrow	1	1	41.7

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter	For	Against
1	43%	57%
2	37%	63%
3	42%	58%
4	58%	42%
Match	45%	55%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	1.0.6	0.1.1	+5
Centre Bounce	5.1.31	2.2.14	+17
Stoppage (Other)	7.2.44	1.1.7	+37
Turnover	5.6.36	6.5.41	-5

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	6	3.5	1	3.0
Centre Bounce	31	9.7	14	7.7
Stoppage (Other)	44	23.8	7	19.3
Turnover	36	41.5	41	47.7

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Gold Coast.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category	Region	For		Against
		Match	Season	Match	Season *
Centre Bounce	Centre	31	9.7	14	7.7
Kick-in	D50	6	3.5	1	3.0
Stoppage (Other)	D50	6	3.0	1	1.3
Stoppage (Other)	Centre	1	2.2	0	1.9
Stoppage (Other)	Wing	30	12.7	0	8.8
Stoppage (Other)	F50	7	6.0	6	7.3
Turnover	D50	15	9.1	14	9.0
Turnover	Centre	6	7.7	0	6.9
Turnover	Wing	8	17.6	20	25.5
Turnover	F50	7	7.0	7	6.4

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
D50	27	15.5	16	13.2
Centre	38	19.6	14	16.4
Wing	38	30.4	20	34.4
F50	14	13.0	13	13.6

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	27	15.5	16	13.2
Defensive midfield	19	16.1	0	18.4
Centre bounce	31	9.7	14	7.7
Attacking midfield	26	24.1	20	24.7
Forward 50	14	13.0	13	13.6

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Gold Coast.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
46	31.7	16	31.6

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Gold Coast.

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	25	83%	84.8%	64.9%
Jack Viney	23	77%	68.8%	72.1%
Trent Rivers	20	67%	29.0%	3.0%
Judd McVee	18	60%	4.0%	0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	16	53%	17.5%	2.1%
Tom Sparrow	6	20%	37.7%	44.9%
Jacob van Rooyen	5	17%	18.1%	7.6%
Kysaiah Pickett	4	13%	34.3%	11.2%
Koltyn Tholstrup	3	10%	6.4%
Christian Salem	0	0%	13.0%	0.0%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	7.9%	0.7%
Daniel Turner	0	0%	0.3%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	5.7%
Clayton Oliver			70.7%	81.4%
Christian Petracca			55.8%	61.1%
Bailey Laurie			8.3%	0.0%
Josh Schache			8.3%	0.0%
Charlie Spargo			4.2%	0.0%
Lachie Hunter			0.0%	0.2%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	75	82%	80.8%	57.5%
Jacob van Rooyen	16	18%	18.0%	13.1%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	8.1%	2.0%
Daniel Turner	0	0%	3.2%	0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	9.3%
Tom Sparrow	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache			13.3%	4.1%
Ben Brown			0.2%	2.3%
Christian Petracca			0.0%	0.4%
Clayton Oliver			0.0%	0.1%
Steven May			0.0%	0.0%

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2024)	To Adv. % (2023)
Max Gawn	75	33	8	28.2%	30.1%
Jacob van Rooyen	16	7	2	25.0%	31.1%
Daniel Turner	0	0	0	50.0%
Harrison Petty	0	0	0	25.0%	25.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0		0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0	0		20.0%
Ben Brown				100.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache				100.0%	0.0%
Christian Petracca					100.0%

Opposition hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Jarrod Witts	73	27	8
Mac Andrew	16	6	2
Jed Walter	3	1	1

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

2 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

Melbourne v Gold Coast (Round 23, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20242303

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff
Disposal Efficiency	77.7	71.3	+6.4
Kicking Efficiency	72.3	63.3	+9.0
Metres Gained	6274	5576	+698
Inside 50s	54	49	+5
Shots At Goal	29	18	+11
Shots Per Inside 50	53.7	36.7	+17.0
Contested Possessions	121	111	+10
Ground Ball Gets	82	74	+8
Intercepts	67	63	+4
Intercept Marks	16	17	-1
Centre Clearances	18	7	+11
Stoppage Clearances	27	29	-2
Contested Marks	11	5	+6
Marks Inside 50	16	8	+8
Hitouts	40	34	+6
Hitouts To Advantage	10	11	-1
Tackles	50	47	+3
Tackles Inside 50	9	9	+0
Def One On One Loss %	20.0	35.3	-15.3

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	6	4	+2
Loose Ball Get	14	10	+4
Contested Mark	1	0	+1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	0	2	-2
Gather From Hitout	2	1	+1
Contested Knock On	0	1	-1
Free For	1	2	-1
Total	24	20	+4
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	4	8	-4
Loose Ball Get	7	7	0
Contested Mark	3	2	+1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	2	0	+2
Gather From Hitout	1	1	0
Free For	1	2	-1
Total	18	20	-2
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	14	16	-2
Loose Ball Get	43	32	+11
Contested Mark	11	5	+6
Contested Knock On	1	5	-4
Free For	7	10	-3
Total	76	68	+8
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	6	7	-1
Loose Ball Get	19	19	0
Ruck Hard Ball Get	5	2	+3
Gather From Hitout	9	11	-2
Contested Knock On	4	2	+2
Free For	2	2	0
Total	45	43	+2

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.
• Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.
• 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	Rushed	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	102.7	117	0	99%	+40.9	+54	+13.1
Gold Coast	61.8	63	1	1%

Team	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	29	18.9.117	62.1%	102.7	+14.3	3.54	+0.49
Gold Coast	18	9.8.62	50.0%	60.8	+1.2	3.38	+0.07
General Play
Melbourne	12	4.6.30	33.3%	37.7	−7.7	3.15	−0.65
Gold Coast	8	5.3.33	62.5%	22.6	+10.4	2.82	+1.31
Set Position
Melbourne	17	14.3.87	82.4%	65.0	+22.0	3.82	+1.30
Gold Coast	10	4.5.29	40.0%	38.3	−9.3	3.83	−0.93

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
• +/-: total score above or below expected score.
• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	184	171	+13
2	174	182	-8
3	197	174	+23
4	167	175	-8
Match	181	175	+6

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Jack Viney	31	83	57.0
Koltyn Tholstrup	24	53	37.4
Alex Neal-Bullen	20	51	53.7
Trent Rivers	22	41	30.2
Kade Chandler	17	35	44.5
Ed Langdon	16	35	32.0
Kysaiah Pickett	19	34	43.2
Judd McVee	11	28	16.5
Jake Lever	13	26	15.4
Christian Salem	13	24	26.3
Bayley Fritsch	13	24	15.8
Harrison Petty	13	23	30.3
Jake Bowey	10	22	18.1
Max Gawn	6	18	22.2
Marty Hore	8	18	11.8
Jack Billings	7	14	23.5
Tom McDonald	4	14	19.3
Jacob van Rooyen	6	14	17.4
Blake Howes	5	13	16.1
Jake Melksham	5	12	11.1
Adam Tomlinson	3	9	19.1
Daniel Turner	3	6	12.8
Tom Sparrow	1	1	41.7

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter	For	Against
1	43%	57%
2	37%	63%
3	42%	58%
4	58%	42%
Match	45%	55%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	1.0.6	0.1.1	+5
Centre Bounce	5.1.31	2.2.14	+17
Stoppage (Other)	7.2.44	1.1.7	+37
Turnover	5.6.36	6.5.41	-5

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	6	3.5	1	3.0
Centre Bounce	31	9.7	14	7.7
Stoppage (Other)	44	23.8	7	19.3
Turnover	36	41.5	41	47.7

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Gold Coast.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category	Region	For		Against
		Match	Season	Match	Season *
Centre Bounce	Centre	31	9.7	14	7.7
Kick-in	D50	6	3.5	1	3.0
Stoppage (Other)	D50	6	3.0	1	1.3
Stoppage (Other)	Centre	1	2.2	0	1.9
Stoppage (Other)	Wing	30	12.7	0	8.8
Stoppage (Other)	F50	7	6.0	6	7.3
Turnover	D50	15	9.1	14	9.0
Turnover	Centre	6	7.7	0	6.9
Turnover	Wing	8	17.6	20	25.5
Turnover	F50	7	7.0	7	6.4

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
D50	27	15.5	16	13.2
Centre	38	19.6	14	16.4
Wing	38	30.4	20	34.4
F50	14	13.0	13	13.6

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	27	15.5	16	13.2
Defensive midfield	19	16.1	0	18.4
Centre bounce	31	9.7	14	7.7
Attacking midfield	26	24.1	20	24.7
Forward 50	14	13.0	13	13.6

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Gold Coast.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
46	31.7	16	31.6

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Gold Coast.

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	25	83%	84.8%	64.9%
Jack Viney	23	77%	68.8%	72.1%
Trent Rivers	20	67%	29.0%	3.0%
Judd McVee	18	60%	4.0%	0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	16	53%	17.5%	2.1%
Tom Sparrow	6	20%	37.7%	44.9%
Jacob van Rooyen	5	17%	18.1%	7.6%
Kysaiah Pickett	4	13%	34.3%	11.2%
Koltyn Tholstrup	3	10%	6.4%
Christian Salem	0	0%	13.0%	0.0%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	7.9%	0.7%
Daniel Turner	0	0%	0.3%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	5.7%
Clayton Oliver			70.7%	81.4%
Christian Petracca			55.8%	61.1%
Bailey Laurie			8.3%	0.0%
Josh Schache			8.3%	0.0%
Charlie Spargo			4.2%	0.0%
Lachie Hunter			0.0%	0.2%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	75	82%	80.8%	57.5%
Jacob van Rooyen	16	18%	18.0%	13.1%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	8.1%	2.0%
Daniel Turner	0	0%	3.2%	0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	9.3%
Tom Sparrow	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache			13.3%	4.1%
Ben Brown			0.2%	2.3%
Christian Petracca			0.0%	0.4%
Clayton Oliver			0.0%	0.1%
Steven May			0.0%	0.0%

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2024)	To Adv. % (2023)
Max Gawn	75	33	8	28.2%	30.1%
Jacob van Rooyen	16	7	2	25.0%	31.1%
Daniel Turner	0	0	0	50.0%
Harrison Petty	0	0	0	25.0%	25.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0		0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0	0		20.0%
Ben Brown				100.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache				100.0%	0.0%
Christian Petracca					100.0%

Opposition hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Jarrod Witts	73	27	8
Mac Andrew	16	6	2
Jed Walter	3	1	1

Thanks Wheelo.

Can't recall us hitting the AFL average pressure rating too often this season ✅️

Post clearance loose ground ball ✅️

Contested possessions✅️

Centre Clearances✅

Disposal Efficiency above AFL average✅️

Kicking efficiency✅️

Scores from stoppage✅️ *

Scores from turnover❌️

* Haven't seen the game yet but looks like we went back to our old Melb way DNA!?  The Clarry out (inj) McVee in (CBA) factor!

Like a switch was flicked!!

Edited August 18 by Demon Dynasty

[DeeZone 10,130]

11 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Round 23, 2024 PF Stadium - Suns vs Demons

Our second best team rating for the year.

Where did that performance come from?  Only bettered in Rnd 1 vs the Dogs with a 72.4  A mere five months and 22 matches later!

Did it for Nibbler i assume?  Haven't watched the game yet but look at those top six ratings.  The second best result for the year.  A smidgen behind Rnd 11 vs the Saints (29.85)

Speaking of Nibbler that was also his best rated match of the season.

A break out game from Howes?  His best rated game so far for the redlegs.

Marty Hore cracking into the top 6.  Must have been pretty decent?

Kozzy with the lowest rated game for us (not counting Sparrow).  Not so good?

Player	Rating	Rank	2023 Season Rating	% Change vs 2023
Jack Viney	6.425	1	3.707	73.3
Ed Langdon	5.625	2	3.057	84.0
A N-Bullen	5.150	3	2.532	103.4
C Salem	4.700	4	2.993	57.0
B Howes	4.125	5	2.235	84.6
M Hore	3.775	6	-	-
T Rivers	3.625	7	3.696	-1.9
J Billings	3.300	8	-	-
J Bowey	3.225	9	2.820	14.4
M Gawn	3.100	10	3.350	-7.5
T McDonald	3.100	10	2.054	50.9
K Chandler	2.850	12	2.265	25.8
K Tholstrup	2.750	13	-	-
H Petty	2.650	14	2.718	-2.5
D Turner	2.625	15	1.825	43.8
A Tomlinson	2.600	16	2.915	-10.8
B Fritsch	2.550	17	2.324	9.7
J McVee	2.500	18	2.320	7.8
J Melksham > 54%	2.500	18	1.599	56.3
J V Rooyen	2.250	20	2.170	3.7
J Lever	1.900	21	3.131	-39.3
K Pickett	0.800	22	2.101	-61.9
T Sparrow < 16%	0.600	23	2.811	-78.7
Team Score	72.13		69.86	3.2
Top 6	29.80		24.43	22.0
Bottom 6	12.50		15.17	-17.6

< Subbed out TOG %

> Subbed in TOG %

 

Suns

Player	Rating	Rank
N Anderson	4.725	1
S Flanders	4.675	2
A Davies	3.950	3
T Miller	3.650	4
B Uwland	3.400	5
S Clohesy	3.400	5
C Ballard	3.375	7
J Witts	3.175	8
L Weller	2.550	9
M Rowell	2.525	10
W Graham	2.450	11
W Powell	2.225	12
S Collins	2.150	13
N Holman	2.000	14
C Budarick	1.825	15
B King	1.650	16
S Lemmens	1.600	17
J Rogers	0.950	18
B Humphrey	0.850	19
M Andrew	0.750	20
D Swallow > 23%	0.700	21
J Walter	0.575	22
B Long < 58%	0.500	23
Team Rating	53.15
Top 6	23.80
Bottom 6	5.43

 

Combined Ratings

Player	Rating	Rank
Jack Viney	6.425	1
Ed Langdon	5.625	2
A N-Bullen	5.150	3
N Anderson	4.725	4
C Salem	4.700	5
S Flanders	4.675	6
B Howes	4.125	7
A Davies	3.950	8
M Hore	3.775	9
T Miller	3.650	10
T Rivers	3.625	11
B Uwland	3.400	12
S Clohesy	3.400	12
C Ballard	3.375	14
J Billings	3.300	15
J Bowey	3.225	16
J Witts	3.175	17
M Gawn	3.100	18
T McDonald	3.100	18
K Chandler	2.850	20
K Tholstrup	2.750	21
H Petty	2.650	22
D Turner	2.625	23
A Tomlinson	2.600	24
B Fritsch	2.550	25
L Weller	2.550	25
M Rowell	2.525	27
J McVee	2.500	28
J Melksham > 54%	2.500	28
W Graham	2.450	30
J V Rooyen	2.250	31
W Powell	2.225	32
S Collins	2.150	33
N Holman	2.000	34
J Lever	1.900	35
C Budarick	1.825	36
B King	1.650	38
S Lemmens	1.600	38
J Rogers	0.950	39
B Humphrey	0.850	40
K Pickett	0.800	41
M Andrew	0.750	42
D Swallow > 23%	0.700	43
T Sparrow < 16%	0.600	44
J Walter	0.575	45
B Long < 58%	0.500	46

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & foxsports.com.au

Thanks DD that was some game by the boys no wonder Suns “wilted”, great to see the team up above our ‘23 average and who would have thought that Blake Howes and Marty Hore would feature comfortably in our top 10. A lot to like about our game today.!!

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

3 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Thanks DD that was some game by the boys no wonder Suns “wilted”, great to see the team up above our ‘23 average and who would have thought that Blake Howes and Marty Hore would feature comfortably in our top 10. A lot to like about our game today.!!

Some Twilight Zone moments DZ for sure.  Just about to watch now

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 23, 2024 vs H&A Season 2023

The penultimate season ratings before signing off against the filth.

Player	2024 Rating	2024 Rank	2023 Rating	% Change vs 2023	2023 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2023
C Petracca	4.476	1	4.707	-4.9	2	1
Max Gawn <	4.142	2	3.350	23.6	7	5
Steven May <	3.741	3	3.213	16.4	8	5
T Rivers	3.451	4	3.696	-6.6	5	1
C Salem <	3.370	5	2.993	12.6	12	7
C Oliver	3.364	6	5.002	-32.7	1	-5
Jack Viney	3.259	7	3.707	-12.1	4	-3
Jake Lever <	3.103	8	3.131	-0.9	9	1
Ed Langdon	3.100	9	3.057	1.4	10	1
A N-Bullen	3.043	10	2.532	20.2	20	10
T McDonald	2.929	11	2.054	42.6	27	16
Judd McVee	2.922	12	2.320	25.9	22	10
A Tomlinson	2.811	13	2.915	-3.6	14	1
J Bowey <	2.722	14	2.820	-3.5	15	1
M Hore >	2.534	15	-	-	-	-
T Sparrow <	2.517	16	2.811	-10.5	16	0
K Pickett	2.428	17	2.101	15.6	26	9
J Billings < >	2.420	18	-	-	-	-
B Howes	2.387	19	-	-	-	-
C Windsor <	2.275	20	-	-	-	-
K Chandler	2.208	21	2.265	-2.5	23	2
T Woewodin < >	2.156	22	1.406	53.3	34	12
B Laurie < >	2.111	23	2.235	-5.5	24	1
J V Rooyen <	2.081	24	2.170	-4.1	25	1
K Tholstrup <	1.934	25	-	-	-	-
A M-Wakefield <	1.933	26	-	-	-	-
J Melksham >	1.859	27	1.599	16.3	32	5
L Hunter* <	1.838	28	2.939	-37.5	13	-15
B Fritsch	1.788	29	2.324	-23.1	21	-8
H Petty <	1.540	30	2.718	-43.3	19	-11
S McAdam*	1.483	31	-	-	-	-
Ben Brown <	1.391	32	1.941	-28.3	28	-4
D Turner < >	1.380	33	1.825	-24.4	31	-2
C Spargo*	1.200	34	1.886	-36.4	29	-5
J Schache*	0.700	35	1.525	-54.1	33	-2
K Brown* >	0.125	36	-	-	-	-
Team Rating	65.36		69.86	-6.4
Top 6	22.54		24.43	-7.7
Bottom 6	13.87		15.17	-8.5

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

< Subbed out at least once or more (player rating could be somewhat comprised)

> Subbed in at least once or more (player rating could be somewhat comprised)

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Edited August 19 by Demon Dynasty