3 hours ago, Mach5 said:

It’s the AFL’s way of making them be traded without devaluing the picks in negotiations, e.g. “you have to trade these, you can’t keep them, so we are lowballing you because you have to accept”

They effectively used one on Fisher and Stephens which isn’t unreasonable, they then spun the other 2 in to picks 17 and 18, which shows how silly the AFL were because there’s just no need to give a team with picks 2, 3 and 15 those 2 picks.

And my guess is barring a Reid trade they’ll be very likely to trade 17 or 18 back a year for either a future first or a pair of seconds because there’s no reason to draft a 5th player in the first round. Effectively banking the priority pick by moving it up and then back. 

On 22/10/2023 at 21:43, darkhorse72 said:

More top picks the better, closer to 1, if the draft is "Shallow" why go back to 17.

Trust them to get 2 great players for 6/11

 

There's the obvious Harley @ 1 then a bit of daylight imv.

Followed by a clump of potential VG players from 2 to about 8, at least for our potential needs.

No doubt some talent outside of that but is O’Sullivan a priority for us on a needs basis with Turner &  Adams coming through at Casey?

Just comes back to each club's positional needs for mine.

If we can't grab Sanders or Caddy i'd be open to trading up to get who we want (Duursma?) but not three 1sts.

I can see a three way mega trade deal happening between us, the Roos & WC in the final 48 hours or so IF WC are open to it of course.

WC probably doing the right thing by their club if they utilise their 1st pick to get multiple picks.

Mind you Harley is a great asset also but they need more than just one gun imv to start building and moving up the ladder.

A mega trade ensures the three clubs come out the other end of the sausage machine with their preferences, or fairly close, and seems the logical course.

Edited October 24, 20231 yr by Demon Dynasty

Should definitely be aiming for pick 3, one of Duursma or Mckercher would be fantastic. 

Why would we give up pick 11 when we gave so much(too much?) to get it We obviously have a specific plan in mind so lets see how it plays out.

We also delisted K Turner, meaning we're taking an extra pick to the draft now. We will now take 3 players plus rookie upgrades instead of 2 plus rookie upgrades. That likely means we tried to trade up, couldn't get a deal done, and now are taking 6+11+42 all to draft.

11 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

We also delisted K Turner, meaning we're taking an extra pick to the draft now. We will now take 3 players plus rookie upgrades instead of 2 plus rookie upgrades. That likely means we tried to trade up, couldn't get a deal done, and now are taking 6+11+42 all to draft.

42 might be Brown, or might be a project player (ruck?) and Brown is rookied

7 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

We also delisted K Turner, meaning we're taking an extra pick to the draft now. We will now take 3 players plus rookie upgrades instead of 2 plus rookie upgrades. That likely means we tried to trade up, couldn't get a deal done, and now are taking 6+11+42 all to draft.

I wouldn’t be sure of that, we’ve still only moved 7 players out and bought 3 in.

2 picks and 2 rookies is just as likely, with the flexibility to take Kynan Brown in either draft. 

Id be pretty surprised if we used 42 straight up. If it doesn’t go in an earlier deal I’d expect it to either be traded out for future picks or possibly a trade up for a slider 

54 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

We also delisted K Turner, meaning we're taking an extra pick to the draft now. We will now take 3 players plus rookie upgrades instead of 2 plus rookie upgrades. That likely means we tried to trade up, couldn't get a deal done, and now are taking 6+11+42 all to draft.

I think there are still too many variables in play at the moment to know with any certainty.

It does give us more flexibility to add to our list in a variety of ways. Whether it be simply adding another draftee through the national, opting to have more rookies, or holding a list spot over for either a DFA (ruck depth like Lycett of Hayes comes to mind) or simply keeping a list spot open for a ssp player in the preseason.

Melksham going on the inactive list also adds flexibility I believe.

42 is anyone's guess at the moment, but I reckon we'll use it in a trade somehow. Either as an upgrade this year or flip into next.

Edited October 24, 20231 yr by Nascent

On 24/10/2023 at 08:22, Demon Dynasty said:

There's the obvious Harley @ 1 then a bit of daylight imv.

Followed by a clump of potential VG players from 2 to about 8, at least for our potential needs.

No doubt some talent outside of that but is O’Sullivan a priority for us on a needs basis with Turner &  Adams coming through at Casey?

Just comes back to each club's positional needs for mine.

If we can't grab Sanders or Caddy i'd be open to trading up to get who we want (Duursma?) but not three 1sts.

I can see a three way mega trade deal happening between us, the Roos & WC in the final 48 hours or so IF WC are open to it of course.

WC probably doing the right thing by their club if they utilise their 1st pick to get multiple picks.

Mind you Harley is a great asset also but they need more than just one gun imv to start building and moving up the ladder.

A mega trade ensures the three clubs come out the other end of the sausage machine with their preferences, or fairly close, and seems the logical course.

While I agree, the notion that the best players are limited to say the top 10 in the draft pool.  Time and time again players taken later have proven to be great players.  Though its hard to find them and feel it really about their personal drive than their success in junior/development footy.

8 hours ago, darkhorse72 said:

While I agree, the notion that the best players are limited to say the top 10 in the draft pool.  Time and time again players taken later have proven to be great players.  Though its hard to find them and feel it really about their personal drive than their success in junior/development footy.

Yes there's no reason why talent can't be found outside horse.

Angus Hastie one example of someone who shows a bit.