3 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Nonsense....the mainstream press will often make anything up to run with the preferred "AFL" view of things.

There was an interview with a Carlton player who was involved in the goal line contest and they asked him the same thing.... he said no wayxyou could make anything out as the crowd noise was just too loud to hear anything like that.

I believe that was the point Binny was alluding to .. "heard a touch"..  impossible. 

Folk are telling porkies...... one to deny a goal...the other to seemingly save his derriere

Its done and dusted....though it hasn't truly settled ( the dust )

Am now taking a more philosophical,  holistic view.   The conductor on the Karma Bus was watching...

 

4 hours ago, beelzebub said:

I believe that was the point Binny was alluding to .. "heard a touch"..  impossible. 

Folk are telling porkies...... one to deny a goal...the other to seemingly save his derriere

Bottom line it comes back to your earlier excellent post Bubs.

If the umpire is unsure as to whether it's been touched or not and wants to go to the ARC, the default has to be "it's a goal" unless clearly proven otherwise by the video evidence at hand.

If they don't change it up to the above default (under a "i think it might have been touched but not sure....pls check" scanario), then all oppo players involved in close over-the goal-line kicks like this should always call touched ball regardless of whether it was or wasn't.

It will be a blight on the game but it appears that is what the AFL is happy to go with.  So bring it on!

Edited August 16, 20231 yr by Demon Dynasty

8 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Bottom line it comes back to your earlier excellent post Bubs.

If the umpire is unsure as to whether it's been touched or not and wants to go to the ARC, the default has to be "it's a goal" unless clearly proven otherwise by the video evidence at hand.

If they don't change it up to the above default (under a "i think it might have been touched but not sure....pls check" scanario), then all oppo players involved in close over-the goal-line kicks like this should always call touched ball regardless of whether it was or wasn't.

It will be a blight on the game but it appears that is what the AFL is happy to go with.  So bring it on!

Yep, absolutely agree ...its a goal unless proven otherwise...    Amazing how something so simple.....became everything but.

On 8/12/2023 at 10:34 PM, Clint Bizkit said:

 

At the time, I said to the guy sitting next to me in the stand that they would not change the umpires call no matter where the ball was, as they no longer change decisions or make contentious decisions in close games. It's real 'head in the sand' stuff from the umpires dept. The JVR trip is absolute proof of that.

What I was more disappointed by was the insipid attempt at goal line shepherding by the Melbourne players. They were out of position and made feeble efforts too late. Doent matter that the ball came in fast from Trac, someone, anyone should've been on the goal line ready to shepherd. 

And don't get me started about Salem's shot on goal from 48m out when Kossie was in front of him running clear for the pass 20m out, 45 deg angle. Easy set shot. Do they put horse blinkers on when they get the ball inside 50???

Arghhh!

On 8/16/2023 at 8:51 AM, beelzebub said:

Its done and dusted....though it hasn't truly settled ( the dust )

Am now taking a more philosophical,  holistic view.   The conductor on the Karma Bus was watching...

 

Yep.

And who knows what might have transpired if it had bene given a goal.

Lets say they score a goal from the next center clearance, just as they did at the start of the last quarter.

Maybe they are even more pumped and we are even more deflated. 

Perhaps the anger of being robbed will take us to anew level and the sub conscious knowledge they lost that game means we have the wood on them if we play them again, say in the prelim

The season plays out differently now because of that horrendous mistake. 

May be it ends up heling us becuase we play a wounded [censored] outfit week one of the finals instead of the Lions at the gabba?

At least that is what i'm trying to convince myself of. Sunday cant come quick enough!

8 minutes ago, binman said:

Yep.

And who knows what might have transpired if it had bene given a goal.

Lets say they score a goal from the next center clearance, just as they did at the start of the last quarter.

Maybe they are even more pumped and we are even more deflated. 

Perhaps the anger of being robbed will take us to anew level and the sub conscious knowledge they lost that game means we have the wood on them if we play them again, say in the prelim

The season plays out differently now because of that horrendous mistake. 

May be it ends up heling us becuase we play a wounded [censored] outfit week one of the finals instead of the Lions at the gabba?

At least that is what i'm trying to convince myself of. Sunday cant come quick enough!

The season plays out differently now because of that mistake?! 

I've never heard so many excuses for a Melbourne loss. But when we win, no matter how or no matter the context, it's because we're the bees knees. 

We allowed Carlton to get that far ahead. Decision right or wrong is not the point. 

We didn't play well enough for long enough. And when that happens against sides that are up for the fight, things don't end well. 

Also. Our defence. You think that we have the best defence? Given the last 7 rounds? 

You and your assistant constantly make excuses for us when we lose. It's amazing. Seriously amazing. 

Two more games, how you feeling? We should be peaking I believe. Yes? Our loading period has finished, we play a bottom four side now so I'm imagining that you and the assistant will be confident we'll be winning by 40+ given our talent, age bracket of our best players. The fact we can still finish top 2 andddd we're hitting peak performance? 

On 8/16/2023 at 6:36 AM, Engorged Onion said:

It's unheard of as, Leigh Montanga noted - due to the impact of the +1 at the contest that Carlton  employed compared to Melbourne's -1, on the data that goes into compiling 'pressure'.

Generally speaking, be aware of aligning the 'pressure gauge' with the desire to win or hunger...

I remember you because of your username, it's good to talk to you again. I like teasing Chris Scott, here is another one I wrote after Freo beat Cats in Rd20.

Chris Scott: We’re the danger.

Justin Longmuir: We’re peaceful people, we make the danger disappear.

Thanks for bringing that up. Yes, I’m aware the data can sometimes present a misleading picture for readers, I’m always a bit cautious about that. Generally, I base my judgment on my own knowledge and experiences, using the data as a reference only. I have been following Daniel Hoyne’s weekly analysis for several weeks, and appreciate his work (I like Leigh Montagan as well). Have a good evening, enjoying the footy!

In case you missed out, here is another one for fun only:

A made-up-conversation between 3 people:

“Which part of his body did you see touching the ball?”

“His right wrist.”

“Which part of your body touched the ball?”

“ My left fingertip.”

“Did you see his left fingertip touch the ball?”

“No, I didn’t”

“Did your right wrist touch the ball?”

“Hmmm, let me think …”

“Okay, make up your mind. 30 seconds …15 seconds left …”

@Min Xie - you and I both know that’s EXACTLY how it happened 🫶

12 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

@Min Xie - you and I both know that’s EXACTLY how it happened 🫶

Yes, we also know these things happened in footy. Hopefully some of these can be solved in a better way in the future.