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2023 List and Contract Details

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  On 24/10/2023 at 07:11, Nascent said:

I reckon we will take two in the ND, Brown as a Rookie and leave a spot for a DFA or SSP player.

Surely someone drafts Brown in the ND and we have to match

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      On 24/10/2023 at 07:56, old55 said:

    Surely someone drafts Brown in the ND and we have to match

    Quite possible, even probable maybe, but it's not a stretch to see him miss out at the national draft in my view.

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    According to your latest chart we have 35 senior spots and 3 A Rookiies.   B rookies are full.

    If Melksham goes to Rookie then it is 34 and 4.

    That leaves 4 spots vacant in any selections we make in whatever category regardless of whether Melksham is rookied.

    We usually only have 36 senior positions.

    Interesting times.

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    Daniel Turner will receive a promotion on a 2 year deal. 

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      On 26/10/2023 at 05:46, Dannyz said:

    Daniel Turner will receive a promotion on a 2 year deal. 

    Senior list upgrade?

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      On 26/10/2023 at 06:50, dazzledavey36 said:

    Senior list upgrade?

    That's right. Expect his and AMW extensions to be announced shortly. 

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    @Lucifers Hero we've got lost lodgement deadlines on Tuesday 31 at 2pm and again before the draft on 14 Nov.

    Do you know if the club needs to declare it's list make up (i.e. 36/6 or 37/5) at one of those list lodgements? Or are we free to go the draft do our thing as long as the outcome fits within the rules?

    If it's the former, then I suspect the club are playing it like this:

    - the club is going to wait and see what happens on draft night.

    - if we can get Brown as a Rookie (ie no one else bids) then we'll do that.

    - if a bid comes 56 or later, I think that thanks to the 20% points discount, he can match for free - presuming we have a list spot left.

    -if our draft hand stays exactly as it is, and we can manage any other trades, it will depend on whether we rate Brown at 42 or would prefer someone else. But based on Tim Lambs comments I can't see us using 42 as well as 6 and 11, unless it's for Brown 

    - So my guess is that strategy around selection otherwise (ie before pick 56) will depend on any trades we were able to make to improve our top picks, and whether they give us any pick in the 50s or 60s back that will enable us to match a bid

    - In short: we'll take him if we can, but we aren't stock piling assets for him, we are trying to get the best top end talent.

     

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      On 29/10/2023 at 11:54, deanox said:

    @Lucifers Hero

     

    My thoughts on the above post in blue

    ...we've got lost lodgement deadlines on Tuesday 31 at 2pm and again before the draft on 14 Nov.

    Correct

    Do you know if the club needs to declare it's list make up (i.e. 36/6 or 37/5) at one of those list lodgements? Or are we free to go the draft do our thing as long as the outcome fits within the rules?

    No need to declare the Seniors/A rookie mix.  It will be known after the draft.

    If it's the former, then I suspect the club are playing it like this:

    - the club is going to wait and see what happens on draft night.  Agreed.

    - if we can get Brown as a Rookie (ie no one else bids) then we'll do that.  I haven't seen anything that says we will take Brown.  F/S nominations close tomorrow so we should know then.  That nothing has been reported suggests we may not or else just poor info from AFL who publish the lists.

    - if a bid comes 56 or later, I think that thanks to the 20% points discount, he can match for free - presuming we have a list spot left.  We still need to use a draft pick but it could be 93, which will come in to about pick 60 after the other Academy and F/S bids have been matched and clubs pass on picks over 50.  That is what happened to get Woewoden.  Yes we still need a list spot. 

    -if our draft hand stays exactly as it is, and we can manage any other trades, it will depend on whether we rate Brown at 42 or would prefer someone else. But based on Tim Lambs comments.  I can't see us using 42 as well as 6 and 11, unless it's for Brown.  I can't see us taking Brown at 42.  With relatively flat second round talent 42 is a valuable pick.  I reckon It will be used in a pick upgrade (into top 10), pick swap or cashed in for 2024 picks. 

    - So my guess is that strategy around selection otherwise (ie before pick 56) will depend on any trades we were able to make to improve our top picks, and whether they give us any pick in the 50s or 60s back that will enable us to match a bid.  Agreed.

    - In short: we'll take him if we can, but we aren't stock piling assets for him, we are trying to get the best top end talent. Agreed....I'm not seeing intent to create a list spot for him but as you suggest we can go from a mix of 36/6 to 37/5.

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      On 29/10/2023 at 21:05, Lucifers Hero said:

    My thoughts on the above post in blue

    ...we've got lost lodgement deadlines on Tuesday 31 at 2pm and again before the draft on 14 Nov.

    Correct

    Do you know if the club needs to declare it's list make up (i.e. 36/6 or 37/5) at one of those list lodgements? Or are we free to go the draft do our thing as long as the outcome fits within the rules?

    No need to declare the Seniors/A rookie mix.  It will be known after the draft.

    If it's the former, then I suspect the club are playing it like this:

    - the club is going to wait and see what happens on draft night.  Agreed.

    - if we can get Brown as a Rookie (ie no one else bids) then we'll do that.  I haven't seen anything that says we will take Brown.  F/S nominations close tomorrow so we should know then.  That nothing has been reported suggests we may not or else just poor info from AFL who publish the lists.

    - if a bid comes 56 or later, I think that thanks to the 20% points discount, he can match for free - presuming we have a list spot left.  We still need to use a draft pick but it could be 93, which will come in to about pick 60 after the other Academy and F/S bids have been matched and clubs pass on picks over 50.  That is what happened to get Woewoden.  Yes we still need a list spot. 

    -if our draft hand stays exactly as it is, and we can manage any other trades, it will depend on whether we rate Brown at 42 or would prefer someone else. But based on Tim Lambs comments.  I can't see us using 42 as well as 6 and 11, unless it's for Brown.  I can't see us taking Brown at 42.  With relatively flat second round talent 42 is a valuable pick.  I reckon It will be used in a pick upgrade (into top 10), pick swap or cashed in for 2024 picks. 

    - So my guess is that strategy around selection otherwise (ie before pick 56) will depend on any trades we were able to make to improve our top picks, and whether they give us any pick in the 50s or 60s back that will enable us to match a bid.  Agreed.

    - In short: we'll take him if we can, but we aren't stock piling assets for him, we are trying to get the best top end talent. Agreed....I'm not seeing intent to create a list spot for him but as you suggest we can go from a mix of 36/6 to 37/5.

    To clarify: my post was just my speculation mixed in with the actual AFL list rules.

    Thanks for your thoughts!

     

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      On 29/10/2023 at 21:32, deanox said:

    To clarify: my post was just my speculation mixed in with the actual AFL list rules.

    Thanks for your thoughts!

    Oops!  I took them as sub points after the 'Do you know...' question!! 

    It seems we are pretty much on the same page.

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      On 29/10/2023 at 21:35, Lucifers Hero said:

    Oops!  I took them as sub points after the 'Do you know...' question!! 

    It seems we are pretty much on the same page.

    Oh your answers were great Luci, good to bounce!

    My speculation was about whether we'd take Brown or not!

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    Updates:

    • Melksham becoming an A Rookie
    • Turner changed to a 2 year contract on advice from @Dannyz
    • Contract terms updated for Billings, McAdam and Fullarton thanks to info from @DeeTeez

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    This means there are no more uncontracted players.

    Today is the closing date for F/S nominations and have yet to see anything on Brown so not sure we will be taking him on a F/S basis.  That doesn't mean we wouldn't draft him, just that we are not committed to do so.

    Based on recent mix of 36 senior players and 6 A rookies we now have two senior list spots and two A rookie spots

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      On 31/10/2023 at 06:20, Lucifers Hero said:

    Updates:

    • Melksham becoming an A Rookie
    • Turner changed to a 2 year contract on advice from @Dannyz
    • Contract terms updated for Billings, McAdam and Fullarton thanks to info from @DeeTeez

    image.png.b90e5b34b6cb96a8b015db64c645d8de.png

    This means there are no more uncontracted players.

    Today is the closing date for F/S nominations and have yet to see anything on Brown so not sure we will be taking him on a F/S basis.  That doesn't mean we wouldn't draft him, just that we are not committed to do so.

    Based on recent mix of 36 senior players and 6 A rookies we now have two senior list spots and two A rookie spots

    Andy Moniz Wakefield yet to be confirmed by the club is that right? 

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      On 31/10/2023 at 06:32, Jeremy said:

    Andy Moniz Wakefield yet to be confirmed by the club is that right? 

    Correct.

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    • 3 weeks later...

    Not a difficult re-signing list for 2024.

    Hardest choice perhaps is do you give Langdon 3 or 4 years and how long for Joel Smith.

    Laurie is trending for no contract but he might surprise.

    Money for Tom Sparrow could be a minor issue (At age 24 this is a key contract for him)

    Will Tomlinson get another year... my guess is yes if he wants one.

    Out of curiosity is Charlie Spargo really a UFA in 2025 or is it a typo?

    Great job LH as always !!

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      On 22/11/2023 at 06:18, Diamond_Jim said:

    Out of curiosity is Charlie Spargo really a UFA in 2025 or is it a typo?

    Great job LH as always !!

    Yes, Charlie is a free agent in 2025 - he will have been with the club for 8 years at that stage.

    I'm guessing he isn't in our top 10 most highly paid players which means he would be an UFA

     

    By the way there is a new 2024 thread and the link is in the next post.

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    Link to the 2024 Contracts Thread

     

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