2 minutes ago, Macca said:

No, you are wrong

Watch it again and watch Ginnevan's knees and watch his hips ... and take note of how he leans his head against the tackler

As previously stated ... only about 25cm - 30cm of lowering is required to milk high contact

And the umpire was on to it

A great decision but of course, about 85% of footy fans (or thereabouts) have an inbuilt hatred of umpires so they are never going to be supported

c'mon macca. it was just a lousy tackle. and dangerous too

i'm fully aware of ginnivans tricks, but this was just a poor tackle and a free every time 

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

c'mon macca. it was just a lousy tackle. and dangerous too

i'm fully aware of ginnivans tricks, but this was just a poor tackle and a free every time 

It wasn't a free this time...

4 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

and dangerous too

I think it became dangerous after the tackler was aware he is not pinged for the initial contact. 

Could’ve been done for unduly rough play.

4 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

c'mon macca. it was just a lousy tackle. and dangerous too

i'm fully aware of ginnivans tricks, but this was just a poor tackle and a free every time 

 Ginnivan could have stood tall in the tackle (as players used to do) but his first thought was to initiate lowering of his centre of gravity in order to milk the high contact

To me it looked like any Selwood indiscretion with a few suble differences

He's a cheat and that's all there is to it ... no more benefit of the doubt either

He's like the little boy who cried wolf

Again, go back and have another look

And the AFL have created a bigger issue for themselves by letting the little cheat off the hook

Stand by for inconsistent rulings on high contact frees, left right and centre

point of initial contact

no leaning head into opponent

no dropping of knees

no raising  of arm (nor on next 3 frames where arm is around neck)

i know ginnivan is a cheat (self confessed) but frees like this one are not the ones to nail him a cheat

12 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

point of initial contact

no leaning head into opponent

no dropping of knees

no raising  of arm (nor on next 3 frames where arm is around neck)

i know ginnivan is a cheat (self confessed) but frees like this one are not the ones to nail him a cheat

The way I see it he's already lowered his body as the contact is coming (look at his knees) ... and the leaning of the head comes soon after

What he isn't doing is standing tall in the tackle

Plus, he isn't going to get the benefit of the doubt because he's a known cheat

So he's probably received 20 or 30 lucky free kicks in his short career so can we have all them back

Edited July 26, 20222 yr by Macca

11 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

point of initial contact

no leaning head into opponent

no dropping of knees

no raising  of arm (nor on next 3 frames where arm is around neck)

i know ginnivan is a cheat (self confessed) but frees like this one are not the ones to nail him a cheat

All I see is Ginnivan sensing the oncoming tackle and leaning  into it. Redmond has lowed himself to the same height as Ginnivan and his tacking arm is at nipple height but Ginnivan has angled his shoulder down to initiate the tackle slipping high. He milked it for sure. Not giving him the benefit of the doubt is the correct call.

Edited July 26, 20222 yr by John Crow Batty

10 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

point of initial contact

no leaning head into opponent

no dropping of knees

no raising  of arm (nor on next 3 frames where arm is around neck)

i know ginnivan is a cheat (self confessed) but frees like this one are not the ones to nail him a cheat

The tacklers arms and hands are waist high only so he's not targeting the head is he?

Ginnivan's body lowers in anticipation of where the tacklers arms are going to be

Edited July 26, 20222 yr by Macca

1 minute ago, Macca said:

The way I see it he's already lowered his body as the contact is coming (look at his knees) ... and the leaning of the head comes soon after

What he isn't doing is standing tall in the tackle

Plus, he isn't going to get the benefit of the doubt because he's a known cheat

So he's probably received 20 or 30 lucky free kicks in his short career so can we have all them back?

Deliberately attack his head 30 times and we're all square

so he's not allowed to bend his knees whilst running......lol

remember it all happened quickly and the tackler is closing fast from an angle

but the one thing i do agree with is he has a lot of false negatives to make up for all the false positives he was gifted

2 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

All I see is Ginnivan sensing the oncoming tackle and leaning  into it. Redmond has lowed himself to the same height as Ginnivan and his tacking arm is at nipple height but Ginnivan has angled his shoulder down to initiate the tackle slipping high. He milked it for sure.

oh come on. his body is actually leaning forward ever so slightly and redmans definitely aiming high

redman is much taller and it's his responsibility to take this into account

yeah, i do feel dirty defending ginnivan in this single case

 

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

so he's not allowed to bend his knees?

He's a known cheat so has forfeited his benefit of the doubt

To get rid of all the cheating there has to be some collateral damage

That's how it works ... zero tolerance to the duckers and we've got a better sport

And the game becomes easier to umpire

6 minutes ago, Macca said:

The tacklers arms and hands are waist high only so he's not targeting the head is he?

waist high?   lol, macca, you need to go to specsavers

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

He's a known cheat so has forfeited his benefit of the doubt

To get rid of all the cheating there has to be some collateral damage

That's how it works ... zero tolerance to the duckers and we've got a better sport

And the game becomes easier to umpire

why did you deliberately change my quote and its meaning?

it was - "so he's not allowed to bend his knees whilst running"

natural bending of knees whilst running is not the same as ducking or deliberately lowering your body

6 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

waist high?   lol, macca, you need to go to specsavers

The tacklers arms are waist high in reality ... Ginnivan has lowered his body by a foot or more that's why the tacklers arms look higher

If Ginnivan hadn't lowered his body the tacklers arms would be waste high in relation to Ginnivan

How about I book an appointment for 'you' at the local optometrist?

btw for those interested, here's the next frame. at this point it is a free kick definitely. what happens after is irrelevant.

 

6 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

btw for those interested, here's the next frame. at this point it is a free kick definitely. what happens after is irrelevant.

 

Check out the legs and knees. Nice side way dive.

Edited July 26, 20222 yr by John Crow Batty

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

btw for those interested, here's the next frame. at this point it is a free kick definitely. what happens after is irrelevant.

 

Ginnivan has lowered his body at the precise moment he gets tackled.  Hips lowered and knees bent ... 25 cm's is all it takes as the tackler is trying to pin the arms

Besides all that he has conned and fooled the umpires so they won't be doing him any favours.  Effectively he has embarrassed them and now an umpire has been individually embarrassed

Weightman didn't get a free kick for a good month after all his cheating ... just desserts

8 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

btw for those interested, here's the next frame. at this point it is a free kick definitely. what happens after is irrelevant.

 

At this point he's definitely dropped his knees...

19 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

why did you deliberately change my quote and its meaning?

 

Yeah, I didn't mean to do that (clumsy editing)

1 minute ago, Macca said:

Ginnivan has lowered his body at the precise moment he gets tackled.  Hips lowered and knees bent ... 25 cm's is all it takes as the tackler is trying to pin the arms

Besides all that he has conned and fooled the umpires so they won't be doing him any favours.  Effectively he has embarrassed them and now an umpire has been individually embarrassed

Weightman didn't get a free kick for a good month after all his cheating ... just desserts

Redmond has not changed his posture at all from previous frame. Ginnivan is now is about 6 inches lower than in the previous frame.

The issue I see is that with every changing of the rules there is a mighty over reaction by the Magoos and a lot of legitimate head high tackles will not be paid until we have another head or kneck injury. Tha AFL should have punished the cheats in the first place and it would have been yesterday’s news by now.!!!

29 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

yeah, i do feel dirty defending ginnivan in this single case

And if the umps are in payback mode so be it ... they are not robots

I swear the last game I saw Geelong, not against us Selwood was probably tripped in a tackle slightly low and they paid around the neck. I don't get how he just seems to get it all his way.

1 minute ago, rjay said:

At this point he's definitely dropped his knees...

did you look at the previous frame? redman's arm is already on his shoulder which is technically high and knees are not dropped. it's not likely to go anywhere else but up at that stage. having an arm around your neck is a sure way to drop someone's knees. the point being he didn't drop his knees before contact.

and why did you think the afl (after examination) said the umpire was incorrect in not paying a free?