2 hours ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I'm not going to trawl through old papers to find an ad for you, but when I was involved with a local club (non footy) we were approached asking if we had things students could do to get their hours up, plus my kids are involved with little aths and they have students rotate through there occasionally and at their school they also have some attend to assist with P.E (and as far as I know it's a non-paid gig). This is a very very common thing.

Also the MFC didn't backtrack on the ad, they clarified for those who got offended. 

Well, 

 

2 hours ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I'm not going to trawl through old papers to find an ad for you, but when I was involved with a local club (non footy) we were approached asking if we had things students could do to get their hours up, plus my kids are involved with little aths and they have students rotate through there occasionally and at their school they also have some attend to assist with P.E (and as far as I know it's a non-paid gig). This is a very very common thing.

Also the MFC didn't backtrack on the ad, they clarified for those who got offended. 

You are not comparing apples for apples. Work experience wherever it is must be part of some course of study or development plan to get a job otherwise it is exploitation of the worst kind. You sit on your side of the fence with your buddies and I will sit on mine. I am no Dan andrews fan but how do you think his Union dominated Govt will view this development while we go to them cap in hand for a grant. Bunch of amateurs. 

2 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

This is not a work experience program set up by an educational institute or large corporation. It reads as work, no mention of mentoring 

It is described as a Pathway Program which implies learning and professional development.

Why don't the club offer the applicants   a MFC membership if selected it is the least they can do.

2 minutes ago, nosoupforme said:

Why don't the club offer the applicants   a MFC membership if selected it is the least they can do.

pretty sure they'd get game passes and a bit of merchandise, and the odd feed

1 hour ago, Half forward flank said:

Well, 

 

You are not comparing apples for apples. Work experience wherever it is must be part of some course of study or development plan to get a job otherwise it is exploitation of the worst kind. You sit on your side of the fence with your buddies and I will sit on mine. I am no Dan andrews fan but how do you think his Union dominated Govt will view this development while we go to them cap in hand for a grant. Bunch of amateurs. 

I really think you need to go back and read the club's response which was posted by DeeSpencer on the 1st page of this thread. 

You've got it completely wrong and seem to be trying to bring in other arguments that aren't relevant at all. You can sit on the uninformed incorrect side of the fence all you want, but this was a pathway program designed to work in with participants required course hours, no exploitation at all and a very common practice that would be employed by all clubs, other professional teams and I know from personal experience, which I outlined before, universities with sports related courses will actively seek out these type of programs as well. 

4 hours ago, chookrat said:

It is described as a Pathway Program which implies learning and professional development.

Just not true or accurate. It is for graduates to work for free.

2 hours ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I really think you need to go back and read the club's response which was posted by DeeSpencer on the 1st page of this thread. 

You've got it completely wrong and seem to be trying to bring in other arguments that aren't relevant at all. You can sit on the uninformed incorrect side of the fence all you want, but this was a pathway program designed to work in with participants required course hours, no exploitation at all and a very common practice that would be employed by all clubs, other professional teams and I know from personal experience, which I outlined before, universities with sports related courses will actively seek out these type of programs as well. 

Absolute malicious rubbish. it is intended to get graduates, that is what the ad calls for, graduates. three to four  of them to work for free. It has no connection to an academic facility or professional program. It has been condemned and rightly so. 

2 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

Absolute malicious rubbish. it is intended to get graduates, that is what the ad calls for, graduates. three to four  of them to work for free. It has no connection to an academic facility or professional program. It has been condemned and rightly so. 

The original ad said "students or graduates", go back and look if you want. The club then clarified they were looking at those who needed that hours for their course as part of a pathway program. I'm sure there also happy for graduates who are trying to get a foot in the industry, similar to what happens at every other club and a lot of other professional sports (along with local clubs/sports as well). Not sure what part of that you think is malicious rubbish??

5 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Drop off. i do not like your Trump type views on life. Pathways program. What pathway program? garbage. You are on ignore.

Haha, happy with that. The pathway program was put out there by the club, again read what they tweeted about that. Not sure the personal attack was warranted, when all I did was present facts, not my fault if you jump to conclusions

Edited December 2, 20205 yr by Red and Blue realist

Bloody hell, the way some here are carrying on its like the MFC are bringing back national service. 

On 12/1/2020 at 6:25 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

The New World

Kids will do it

Gee people are going over board, law firms have unpaid interns doing heaps more then 25 hrs a week not getting paid, does the ABC use interns ?

On 12/2/2020 at 1:01 AM, Ohio USA - David said:

I totally agree it is inappropriate and surely a development Coach could not apply himself 100% on 25 hrs a week to as low as 10 hrs a week. Poor judgment by the Club 

Pull your leg a bit, how many big companies with big money use interns? Law firms use interns, brokerage firms use interns, the ABC use interns

27 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

Gee people are going over board, law firms have unpaid interns doing heaps more then 25 hrs a week not getting paid, does the ABC use interns ?

For those who do not understand what an Internship is and who the stakeholders are. MFC advert was not offering an internship, simply a volunteer arrangement with no link to an academic institute and no PATHWAY. If a little research and leg work had been done with an academic institute and a Work placement document executed all would have been in order.

 

ABC Internships

Internships at the ABC provide tertiary students who needing to complete a period of practical experience as part of their course requirements. Internships are an unpaid period of work experience arranged between the ABC, the educational institution and the student.

5 hours ago, don't make me angry said:

Pull your leg a bit, how many big companies with big money use interns? Law firms use interns, brokerage firms use interns, the ABC use interns

Don't forget about all those pesky hospitals and medical centre's who use student nurses, radiologists, physio's etc. Along with all the tech companies that also have student placements at them. The MFC came out to clarify their position on this and explain about the Pathway program but there are those that refuse to acknowledge that. 

Edited December 3, 20205 yr by Red and Blue realist

4 hours ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Don't forget about all those pesky hospitals and medical centre's who use student nurses, radiologists, physio's etc. Along with all the tech companies that also have student placements at them. The MFC came out to clarify their position on this and explain about the Pathway program but there are those that refuse to acknowledge that. 

MFC does not have a Pathways program for volunteers.

7 hours ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Don't forget about all those pesky hospitals and medical centre's who use student nurses, radiologists, physio's etc. Along with all the tech companies that also have student placements at them. The MFC came out to clarify their position on this and explain about the Pathway program but there are those that refuse to acknowledge that. 

Yes this fool under this Quote, some will always justify themselves with lying facts

 

13 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

For those who do not understand what an Internship is and who the stakeholders are. MFC advert was not offering an internship, simply a volunteer arrangement with no link to an academic institute and no PATHWAY. If a little research and leg work had been done with an academic institute and a Work placement document executed all would have been in order.

 

ABC Internships

Internships at the ABC provide tertiary students who needing to complete a period of practical experience as part of their course requirements. Internships are an unpaid period of work experience arranged between the ABC, the educational institution and the student.