Shaun Higgins

[whatwhat say what 22,964]

25 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Maybe, but with Danger, Selwood and Hawkins all getting into their twilight years, I'm hoping they fall off a cliff very soon.

i've been hoping the same for half a decade!

super professional, super well-run, well-resourced, and excellent developmental club

[Meggs 597]

Plus they have the lifestyle attractions which appeals to many...Cats supporters I know believe they will never bottom out.   They only negative they agree on is that Chris Scott is not a great coach.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

6 minutes ago, Meggs said:

Plus they have the lifestyle attractions which appeals to many...Cats supporters I know believe they will never bottom out.   They only negative they agree on is that Chris Scott is not a great coach.

Like Corio and the Bollards down at the beach?

Edited September 17, 2019 by Wiseblood

[Moonshadow 17,677]

33 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Like Corio and the Bollards down at the beach?

Being able to wear moccasins to the local pubs

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

2 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

i've been hoping the same for half a decade!

super professional, super well-run, well-resourced, and excellent developmental club

agree... plus an undoubted home ground advantage will see them challenging for top 6 for several years to come.

If only................

[whatwhat say what 22,964]

52 minutes ago, Meggs said:

Plus they have the lifestyle attractions which appeals to many...Cats supporters I know believe they will never bottom out.   They only negative they agree on is that Chris Scott is not a great coach.

cats have had one of the best sides over the last few years and definitely should've won a premiership in the time since scott's first year

that team coached itself

[Superunknown 4,225]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Like Corio and the Bollards down at the beach?

plenty of places to surf and [censored] all white pointer attacks

[The Chazz 4,077]

The best parts about this news;

1. North must've upped their offer considerably, and when you add that to Goldstein also staying, means their bucket is a bit lighter

2. Geelong miss out on someone they were expecting to just walk in to their club.  Arrogant knobs.

[Adam The God 30,453]

12 hours ago, The Chazz said:

The best parts about this news;

1. North must've upped their offer considerably, and when you add that to Goldstein also staying, means their bucket is a bit lighter

2. Geelong miss out on someone they were expecting to just walk in to their club.  Arrogant knobs.

I wonder if that cliff we've all been predicting Geelong is going to fall off for 5 years may just come soon as a result of their poor finals record. All well and good to be playing finals each year (we could be so lucky!) but if you get bundled out of them easily every year is there much point?

Will be interesting to see if they get Steven signed up and another player or two. Their best (aside from Kelly) are all +29 (as is Steven).

[Moonshadow 17,677]

37 minutes ago, A F said:

I wonder if that cliff we've all been predicting Geelong is going to fall off for 5 years may just come soon as a result of their poor finals record. All well and good to be playing finals each year (we could be so lucky!) but if you get bundled out of them easily every year is there much point?

Will be interesting to see if they get Steven signed up and another player or two. Their best (aside from Kelly) are all +29 (as is Steven).

They should get at least 1 first rounder for Kelly. If Freo get the Saints pick 5 for Hill, I'd think that might be part of an offer for Kelly, assuming he's open to Freo as a destination.

Edited September 18, 2019 by Moonshadow

[The Chazz 4,077]

10 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

They should get at least 1 first rounder for Kelly. If Freo get the Saints pick 5 for Hill, I'd think that might be part of an offer for Kelly, assuming he's open to Freo as a destination.

I'd love Kelly to demand West Coast, so that Geelong don't get the best deal!  He's uncontracted, so he has some bargaining power, and it might mean West Coast trade up their selections to get him in the preseason draft, rather than giving Geelong the earth to get him.

[Moonshadow 17,677]

8 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

I'd love Kelly to demand West Coast, so that Geelong don't get the best deal!  He's uncontracted, so he has some bargaining power, and it might mean West Coast trade up their selections to get him in the preseason draft, rather than giving Geelong the earth to get him.

I'm intrigued by the notion that a non-FA player out of contract has bargaining power. The only power I can see is the threat to go in the draft/preseason draft, which has no guarantees of destination and burns bridges. I can't recall the last time that happened successfully, perhaps Luke Ball?

 

[The Chazz 4,077]

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

I'm intrigued by the notion that a non-FA player out of contract has bargaining power. The only power I can see is the threat to go in the draft/preseason draft, which has no guarantees of destination and burns bridges. I can't recall the last time that happened successfully, perhaps Luke Ball?

 

While a trade (between Geelong and West Coast/Freo) will most likely happen, there are other ways for it not to;;

1. If Kelly wants to go to West Coast, but West Coast can't meet the demands of Geelong, then Kelly could sit out for 12 months and get to them as a delisted free agent I believe (similar to what Cam McCarthy, although McCarthy was contracted to GWS the year he sat out).

2. If Geelong aren't happy with what West Coast offer, and Freo make them an offer that they are happy with, Kelly could refuse and just nominate for the draft.  West Coast will need to trade up the draft order, so as long as they have a pick before Freo, then they can use that pick on him.  (Not saying this will happen, but they could offer Gaff and Pick 13 to us for Pick 2, then they use Pick 2 on Kelly). In this scenario, Geelong lost Kelly for nothing, and the Eagles lost a first round pick and a (very good) player.

As I said, the likely scenario will be a complicated trade between Geelong and West Coast, but if Geelong be silly about it, there's options to shaft them.

[Moonshadow 17,677]

2 hours ago, The Chazz said:

While a trade (between Geelong and West Coast/Freo) will most likely happen, there are other ways for it not to;;

1. If Kelly wants to go to West Coast, but West Coast can't meet the demands of Geelong, then Kelly could sit out for 12 months and get to them as a delisted free agent I believe (similar to what Cam McCarthy, although McCarthy was contracted to GWS the year he sat out).

2. If Geelong aren't happy with what West Coast offer, and Freo make them an offer that they are happy with, Kelly could refuse and just nominate for the draft.  West Coast will need to trade up the draft order, so as long as they have a pick before Freo, then they can use that pick on him.  (Not saying this will happen, but they could offer Gaff and Pick 13 to us for Pick 2, then they use Pick 2 on Kelly). In this scenario, Geelong lost Kelly for nothing, and the Eagles lost a first round pick and a (very good) player.

As I said, the likely scenario will be a complicated trade between Geelong and West Coast, but if Geelong be silly about it, there's options to shaft them.

Yes, I agree those those hypotheticals are possible, just that I can't see either of them happening. IMO WCE have no choice but to pay up for what he's worth.

Cam McCarthy was traded to Freo, he wasn't a DFA. McCarthy, 7, 34, 72 traded for pick 3