Jump to content

Featured Replies

Player / Team Stats - Weighted Composite Score

Rnd 21, 2019  - Demons vs Pies (MCG)

image.png.20f70fb3ad289f792e8ef49e3f363726.png

# Hit outs to advantage not accounted for

 

Kicking Efficiency Comparison - Rnd 9 vs Rnd 21

Note:  The AFL average is approx 68%.  Obviously defenders would have a higher average, mids lower etc.

image.thumb.png.efef45dbb747cedb5674520d34944632.png

* No comparison available as didn't play in both comparative blocks.

# For some reason i missed Tim Smith's KE% @ Rnd 9.

So I read that a PhD student found that you don’t make the top 8 if you have more than 27 games lost from your top ten players in the regular season.  We are at 38.  There are very few exceptions (Richmond this year), but the correlation was incredibly high.  With a very average bottom 6 this year, we had nothing to prop us up.  

So for 2020, I suggest we need to refresh that bottom 6 significantly, and ensure we keep our top 10 players on the park.  Might help us a bit...

 

Player / Team Stats Form Guide

(Composite Weighted Averages)

To Rnd 21, 2019 vs Season 2018

image.thumb.png.ae21491f033f223ffe89da84070b2d16.png

 

Edited by Rusty Nails

11 players down by more than 20%, and another two down by 19% on last year.  Look at the names: Viney, Brayshaw (Jones), Lewis, Hibbard, TMAc, ANB,Melksham,(Omac) Tim Smith, Garlett, Hannan, Spargo.  Last year their contributions got us to a prelim.  Take these 13 players (more than half a starting 22) and have 20% less value from them in a game where 5% matters, and is it any wonder we are down the toilet this year?  What a horrible reflection in the reality that was (is) 2019.

This year 11 players scored over 2.5, last year 17. This year 5 players scored greater than 3.0, last year it was 9 players.  Our top end was considerably weaker as well.

Frost, Hunt and Harmes hold your heads high and proud, only significant positive movers.


Player / Team Stats - Weighted Composite Score

Rnd 22, 2019  - Demons vs Swans (MCG)

image.png.46581d0c3ce83ce86315c15b5313b092.png

# Hit outs to advantage not accounted for

Player / Team Stats Form Guide

(Composite Weighted Averages)

To Rnd 22, 2019 vs Season 2018

image.thumb.png.a41c18e6775c351efe43986d7f6ea540.png

Player / Team Stats - Weighted Composite Score

Rnd 23, 2019  - Roos vs Demons (Blundstone)

image.png.14f7dbd69f5843e03e64ff37b7312db2.png

# Hit outs to advantage not accounted for

Tracc's best games for the year (statistically).  Big Maxy's equal best.  He put this same weighted score up on QB against Grundy!  Over 200 SC points in this game which i can't say i've seen anyone score, let alone a Demon.  To put that in some perspective he scored 99 SC points vs Grundy in Rnd 21, Grundy 86.  On QB Maxy scored 153 SC points, Grundy 84.  Big M has clearly taken the honors over Grundy both times this year.  That was some performance from the big guy today.

A quick summary...

Maxy - 18 Effectives @ 69.2%, 4 Contested Marks, 10 Clearances, 5 inside 50s, 12 Score Involvements, 5 Interceptions and 3 Goals.

Tracc - 22 Effectives @ 88%, 7 Clearances, 7 tackles and 10 Score Involvements.

Edited by Rusty Nails

 
On 8/12/2019 at 12:39 AM, buck_nekkid said:

So I read that a PhD student found that you don’t make the top 8 if you have more than 27 games lost from your top ten players in the regular season.  We are at 38.  There are very few exceptions (Richmond this year), but the correlation was incredibly high.  With a very average bottom 6 this year, we had nothing to prop us up.  

So for 2020, I suggest we need to refresh that bottom 6 significantly, and ensure we keep our top 10 players on the park.  Might help us a bit...

Choco Williams Sais a year or two back on the radio, the coaches mantra of one soldier out another in, is what coaches have to say, but he basically called it out as total BS, replace 4-5 of your top 8 players with players 23-27 on your list and your stuffed! 

While we’ve underperformed with what we’ve had available, our injuries and poor off season add up to a bad year, maybe not 5-17, but irrecoverable from a good season perspective.

Bring on a great pre season, a fit list, good draw, better draft picks and s bit of luck and who knows what 2020 holds!

45 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Player / Team Stats - Weighted Composite Score

Rnd 23, 2019  - Roos vs Demons (Blundstone)

image.png.14f7dbd69f5843e03e64ff37b7312db2.png

# Hit outs to advantage not accounted for

Tracc's best games for the year (statistically).  Big Maxy's equal best.  He put this same weighted score up on QB against Grundy!  Over 200 SC points in this game which i can't say i've seen anyone score, let alone a Demon.  To put that in some perspective he scored 99 SC points vs Grundy in Rnd 21, Grundy 86.  On QB Maxy scored 153 SC points, Grundy 84.  Big M has clearly taken the honors over Grundy both times this year.  That was some performance from the big guy today.

A quick summary...

Maxy - 18 Effectives @ 69.2%, 4 Contested Marks, 10 Clearances, 5 inside 50s, 12 Score Involvements, 5 Interceptions and 3 Goals.

Tracc - 22 Effectives @ 88%, 7 Clearances, 7 tackles and10 Score Involvements.

Observers keep saying Stretch is not up to it! Do these stats mean anything? 21 disposals this week at 95% effciency, yet he is said to be non AFL standard amongst a squad of players who routinely butcher the ball when they get it. 


10 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

Observers keep saying Stretch is not up to it! Do these stats mean anything? 21 disposals this week at 95% effciency, yet he is said to be non AFL standard amongst a squad of players who routinely butcher the ball when they get it. 

Stretch is interesting Earl.  Most of the other weighted score results (not always but mostly) tend to fit in somewhat with what i see on the day.  Is Stretch an outlier or maybe negative bias from myself / others?

In game (watching), i don't see him having much of an impact but might be the pre-determined bias on my part.  Maybe he's changing/improving (or has already improved) but from past experience (not this match) the impression he's given is that he's getting to a fair few balls but mostly dishing off to just about anyone, especially lateral, as his first go to.  Plenty of uncontested that's for sure and the delivery is no doubt first class but how much risk is involved in those disposals if they are going to players in non-damaging places and/or they're about to get pole axed shortly after receiving?  Does he take on the game in other ways that you would expect from a mostly 'outside' player?  Line breaking run?  Looking up field as first priority in traffic and taking the risk trying to get it to a loose player or to his favoured side with a 45 kick through traffic (better from a team's POV)?

Maybe i'm seeing things and right off the money and the stats are capturing the more accurate story of improvement.  Wouldn't be the first time.  And this is where stats are handy as it does make you question and review potential biases that might be ingrained.

Would need to watch the match again to see whether there's any validity in that impression from his match y'day.  Do i have the time or desire....ummm... nup.  Although an old Norf mate is coming over this arvo for a few frothies.  If he insists on watching the replay (lives OS and just visiting) then i might.

Maybe others would like to add something if they watched his game a little closer.

Edited by Rusty Nails

Player / Team Stats Form Guide

(Composite Weighted Averages)

Season  2019 vs Season 2018

Here you go fellow minions.  The year that wasn't!  Only eight players either improved from last season or kept within 5% (not a major difference IMV)...

Frost the most improved and biggest gain up an amazing 25.7%.  The only others who clocked up a positive...Harmes, Hunt and Stretch.  Those within 5% ... Salem, Weid, Big M & JWags.

The overall team average score down 14.25% on season 2018!

The year was that bad that some improved their ranking on last year while still going backwards (statistically).   That does not necessarily equate to a poor or negative year in all cases as some may have been played out of position (eg., Fritschkreig) for the bulk of the season or asked to carry out a completely different role vs 2018.  ie., Less stats accumulated but still carrying out the role effectively from a team POV (run with / lock down / time spent in the ruck when not usually expected etc).

Nonetheless a bog ordinary year...Roll on 2020!

image.thumb.png.0f160dcb4a3471a19a24a0d6bafe4466.png

Note: If you add approx 0.80 for hit outs to advantage for big Maxy this would have him sitting in 2nd.

Edited by Rusty Nails

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • CASEY: Geelong

    There was a time in the second quarter of the game at the Cattery on Friday afternoon when the Casey Demons threatened to take the game apart against the Cats. The Demons had been well on top early but were struggling to convert their ascendancy over the ground until Tom Fullarton’s burst of three goals in the space of eight minutes on the way to a five goal haul and his best game for the club since arriving from Brisbane at the end of 2023. He was leading, marking and otherwise giving his opponents a merry dance as Casey grabbed a three goal lead in the blink of an eye. Fullarton has now kicked ten goals in Casey’s three matches and, with Melbourne’s forward conversion woes, he is definitely in with a chance to get his first game with the club in next week’s Gather Round in Adelaide. Despite the tall forward’s efforts - he finished with 19 disposals and eight marks and had four hit outs as back up to Will Verrall in the second half - it wasn’t enough as Geelong reigned in the lead through persistent attacks and eventually clawed their way to the lead early in the last and held it till they achieved the end aim of victory.

    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • REPORT: Geelong

    I was disappointed to hear Goody say at his post match presser after the team’s 39 point defeat against Geelong that "we're getting high quality entry, just poor execution" because Melbourne’s problems extend far beyond that after its 0 - 4 start to the 2025 football season. There are clearly problems with poor execution, some of which were evident well before the current season and were in play when the Demons met the Cats in early May last year and beat them in a near top-of-the-table clash that saw both sides sitting comfortably in the top four after round eight. Since that game, the Demons’ performances have been positively Third World with only five wins in 19 games with a no longer majestic midfield and a dysfunctional forward line that has become too easy for opposing coaches to counter. This is an area of their game that is currently being played out as if they were all completely panic-stricken.

    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • PREGAME: Essendon

    Facing the very real and daunting prospect of starting the season with five straight losses, the Demons head to South Australia for the annual Gather Round, where they’ll take on the Bombers in search of their first win of the year. Who comes in, and who comes out?

    • 203 replies
    Demonland
  • NON-MFC: Round 04

    Round 4 kicks off with a blockbuster on Thursday night as traditional rivals Collingwood and Carlton clash at the MCG, with the Magpies looking to assert themselves as early-season contenders and the Blues seeking their first win of the season. Saturday opens with Gold Coast hosting Adelaide, a key test for the Suns as they aim to back up their big win last week, while the Crows will be looking to keep their perfect record intact. Reigning wooden spooners Richmond have the daunting task of facing reigning premiers Brisbane at the ‘G and the Lions will be eager to reaffirm their premiership credentials after a patchy start. Saturday night sees North Melbourne take on Sydney at Marvel Stadium, with the Swans looking to build on their first win of the season last week against a rebuilding Roos outfit. Sunday’s action begins with GWS hosting West Coast at ENGIE Stadium, a game that could get ugly very early for the visitors. Port Adelaide vs St Kilda at Adelaide Oval looms as a interesting clash, with both clubs form being very hard to read. The round wraps up with Fremantle taking on the Western Bulldogs at Optus Stadium in what could be a fierce contest between two sides with top-eight ambitions. Who are you tipping this week and what are the best results for the Demons besides us winning?

    • 273 replies
    Demonland
  • PODCAST: Geelong

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 7th April @ the all new time of 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we dissect another Demons loss at Kardinia Park to the Cats in the Round 04. Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human.

    • 53 replies
    Demonland
  • VOTES: Geelong

    Captain Max Gawn leads the Demonland Player of the Year in his quest to take out his 3rd trophy. He leads Christian Petracca and Clayton Oliver who are in equal 2nd place followed by Kade Chandler and Jake Bowey. You votes please. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 & 1.

    • 30 replies
    Demonland