42 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

his head didn't tilt back with respect to his body. sure, his whole body tilted back (and hit the ground) but his head stayed in line with his body with no independent movement of the head which you would expect if it was flush. the chin is the lowest part of the head and yes his shoulder made chin contact but it was minor and his body took the majority of the impact. 

And that, my friend, is what's called "flush". The degree to which force was applied is irrelevant to my original post in this chain.

See ya.

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

And that, my friend, is what's called "flush". The degree to which force was applied is irrelevant to my original post in this chain.

See ya.

so let's disagree on the meaning of flush in this context

11 hours ago, dieter said:

Bullshite!

 

Got so much of a better ring to it than codswallop. Excuse the pun.

Must admit I've begun to sit up and take a bit of notice of the American influence of late in "wobbles" games. Is becoming rather aggressive of late and needs to reign his natural "Alamo" tendencies...... 

14 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Must admit I've begun to sit up and take a bit of notice of the American influence of late in "wobbles" games. Is becoming rather aggressive of late and needs to reign his natural "Alamo" tendencies...... 

Please explain?

I do get the feeling that May was somewhat of a scapegoat for the AFL to set the standard early in the season, but would rather it now than him being suspended during finals.

The other aspect of the May suspension, similar to the Viney one a few years back that the later got off, is that he essentially just held his ground and protected himself whilst the other player charged at him paying very little attention to where he was going.  I haven't seen the incident from the other night, but to me it appears similar in so far as there wasn't intent to line the player up and take them out, the main difference being down to a bit of luck as to where the contact was/wasn't made, though due to May's height, he is probably more likely than most to make head contact and he should be aware of that.

If the AFL is going to be serious about reducing head injuries, then it also needs to put some empasis on players with or going for the ball going on kamikaze missions.  In the May instance, I'm pretty sure that the Brisbane player had general awareness that May was there, otherwise he wouldn't have dished off the handball when he did.  As much as May could have avoided the contact or made contact differently, the Brisbane player could also have acted to have avoided contact.  Instead the Brisbane player dished off the ball, ball watched, looked for ways he could have stayed involved with the play and pretty much expected that May would just jump out of his way.  It's not like May came and snipped him from behind or otherwise out of his vission. 

This realization of needing protect your own body is something that has enabled Angus Brayshaw to further a career that might otherwise have ended.

29 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

The other aspect of the May suspension, similar to the Viney one a few years back that the later got off, is that he essentially just held his ground and protected himself whilst the other player charged at him paying very little attention to where he was going.  I haven't seen the incident from the other night, but to me it appears similar in so far as there wasn't intent to line the player up and take them out, the main difference being down to a bit of luck as to where the contact was/wasn't made, though due to May's height, he is probably more likely than most to make head contact and he should be aware of that.

If the AFL is going to be serious about reducing head injuries, then it also needs to put some empasis on players with or going for the ball going on kamikaze missions.  In the May instance, I'm pretty sure that the Brisbane player had general awareness that May was there, otherwise he wouldn't have dished off the handball when he did.  As much as May could have avoided the contact or made contact differently, the Brisbane player could also have acted to have avoided contact.  Instead the Brisbane player dished off the ball, ball watched, looked for ways he could have stayed involved with the play and pretty much expected that May would just jump out of his way.  It's not like May came and snipped him from behind or otherwise out of his vission. 

This realization of needing protect your own body is something that has enabled Angus Brayshaw to further a career that might otherwise have ended.

Agree entirely. Not so long ago the player expected contact and braced/positioned so that it didn’t cause harm. Now players are diving in head first, leading with the head and, in Mays instance, running blind in there surroundings. 

I want football actions (bumps, tackles etc. ) to be treated differently to non-football actions (jumper punches, open hand punches, punches to guts, eye gouging etc. ).  Perhaps with double penalties for non football actions.

May’s hit on both Berry and Martin were football actions (bump) and caused by the players not bracing/expecting impact. 

The world is changing to place where it’s everybody else’s responsibility for you!!!

1 hour ago, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

Please explain?

Just noticed that his attack on the ball and man has heightened a tad, which he is quite entitled to do if it's legitimate, together with a bit of flowery prose.......as i'm entitled too as well.

41 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

The other aspect of the May suspension, similar to the Viney one a few years back that the later got off, is that he essentially just held his ground and protected himself whilst the other player charged at him paying very little attention to where he was going.  I haven't seen the incident from the other night, but to me it appears similar in so far as there wasn't intent to line the player up and take them out, the main difference being down to a bit of luck as to where the contact was/wasn't made, though due to May's height, he is probably more likely than most to make head contact and he should be aware of that.

If the AFL is going to be serious about reducing head injuries, then it also needs to put some empasis on players with or going for the ball going on kamikaze missions.  In the May instance, I'm pretty sure that the Brisbane player had general awareness that May was there, otherwise he wouldn't have dished off the handball when he did.  As much as May could have avoided the contact or made contact differently, the Brisbane player could also have acted to have avoided contact.  Instead the Brisbane player dished off the ball, ball watched, looked for ways he could have stayed involved with the play and pretty much expected that May would just jump out of his way.  It's not like May came and snipped him from behind or otherwise out of his vission. 

This realization of needing protect your own body is something that has enabled Angus Brayshaw to further a career that might otherwise have ended.

Still reckon he's (May) marked and especially by that MRPDH

4 hours ago, daisycutter said:

his head didn't tilt back with respect to his body. sure, his whole body tilted back (and hit the ground) but his head stayed in line with his body with no independent movement of the head which you would expect if it was flush. the chin is the lowest part of the head and yes his shoulder made chin contact but it was minor and his body took the majority of the impact. 

Didn't hit the chin daisy... it hit his Adams-apple.   It missed the chin,  because the Lions player raised his chin up.

If you can get some decent video of it,  then you will see more clearly.

May should not be lambasted for another Head contact... when it didn't happen.  But he was foolish and arrogant in his approach to the block.   He has a thirst to hurt, which is a good footy tool to have, but does need to be rounded off a little bit.

18 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

May's shoulder hit Berry flush on the chin. 

To me it looked like Liam Jones hit Rievoldt's body and winded him badly

One was head and one was body. That's the difference.

(But I still think May's should have been a fine only)

wrong again.

19 hours ago, Watson11 said:

Graded as low impact to the body.  That hit was so much harder than what May did, and the “optics” were so much worse because it was so far off the ball.  But it was exactly what I think Stewart did to Max Gawn at Geelong last year, and the talk about the hit to Max was how he faked it and Stewart didn’t even get cited from memory. Go figure.

Depends on the agenda. 

May is a bad boy  and he touched the jaw.