Training - Wednesday 16th January, 2019

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If you are still on holiday and you want to have a squiz, there is a session 9.30am Goschs.

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Craft session today which went for just over 1hr and 45mins

Got some good pics of Gawn and Preuss in one on one drill

Fritsch and KK in midfield drills, so some may get their wish

Interesting drill with Salem, Lewis, Jetta, Fritsch, KK so the 'best' kicks in the team,  doing kicking drill with both feet, 'annoyingly'  hardly a poor kick between them

Lever is looking better and better each session, I am sure he is aiming for Rd 1

Bradtke absolutely cooked after drills with Gawn, Preuss and Stafford, fast tracking indeed

New boys were back, Sparrow not disgraced in clearance drills

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It was already warming up when i got there at 10.

Lever and Jones doing runs. Melk and Baker together. Gus doing rehab as well I think

Unsighted: Oliver, Viney, Stretch, Spargo, Walker,  Vanders, Hannan, Maynard

A variety of craft drills followed. Forwards with some goal kicking. Rucks working with Stafford. Some zoning drills.

Then it was running time.

Harmes, Trac, Jetta, Bull, Hunt, Oscar formed a rehab group and sat out 

As did Lewis, KK, JKH

The rucks did some bullocking and then a sprint for a high ball. Preuss testing Gawn out.

The lesser running group had: Keilty, Weid, Hore, May, Frost, Jeff. There wasn’t much drop off but Keilty looked strong.

The bigger group was led by ANB with C Wagner pushing him. T Mc, J Smith up towards the front. Petty was in this group as was Hibberd who was blowing but keeping pace, that’s a good sign for him. The 5 young draftees keeping up in this group as well.

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Maynard and Spargo were there early, light session

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

The progression of Lever sounds encouraging, he might be pushing hard for the opening round but are we really expecting him to be ready? 

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12 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

The progression of Lever sounds encouraging, he might be pushing hard for the opening round but are we really expecting him to be ready? 

Doubt it. I would err on the side of caution with him. To valuable a player to bring in early. Also I would throw him into Casey for a game or two first to ensure all is well.

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9 minutes ago, Docs Demons said:

Doubt it. I would err on the side of caution with him. To valuable a player to bring in early. Also I would throw him into Casey for a game or two first to ensure all is well.

He is driving himself, but as I said on Monday was doing too much and was told to stop

Assume he won't be allowed anywhere near a competitive game until he has ticked every box

He is just doing a bit more each session

Standout today for me was Marty Hore, as per the article on Club website, attacked the session

Looks like most of those missing were indoors, happens a lot on the Wednesday sessions

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1 hour ago, Dee Zephyr said:

The progression of Lever sounds encouraging, he might be pushing hard for the opening round but are we really expecting him to be ready? 

He was injured round 11 June 2.  I don't know when he was operated on, but I assume about a week later, so let's say June 9.  The standard recovery from ACLs is 9 months.  It won't be a one size fits all, some come back sooner and some probably come back later.  Also, I don't know if it being his second ACL on the same knee warrants a more cautious approach, or whether it has no effect.  I'd just be guessing.

Nine months takes him to approx. two weeks before our first game on Saturday 23 March.

Theoretically, if it's a standard recovery he may well be ready to play round one.  Lynden Dunn, who did his ACL one month later in round 15 on July 2, has targeted his return date as round one.

I won't be advising medical staff one way or another, I'm not that stupid, but I won't be surprised if he's ready for round one based on historical timelines - assuming he doesn't have any hiccoughs along the way.  I also won't be surprised if it's round 4 or 5 when he returns.  His minor set back a few weeks ago won't impact things, I wouldn't have thought. 

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42 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Nine months takes him to approx. two weeks before our first game on Saturday 23 March.

Theoretically, if it's a standard recovery he may well be ready to play round one.  Lynden Dunn, who did his ACL one month later in round 15 on July 2, has targeted his return date as round one.

To play round 1 I think he has to play in the 2nd preseason game at Casey on Sat 9 March. I wouldn't be picking a guy on a long lay off without a proper practice match. In order to play in that game he probably has to in the main training group for at least 3 weeks if not a month. 

At this stage he just doing laps with the occasional bit of ball work. When guys are getting closer to going back to the main group they start doing more sprints, skills and dynamic movements. If Lever isn't doing that in the next 2-3 weeks he's starting to look unlikely for round 1.

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Lever was doing those things you mentioned on Monday

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1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

To play round 1 I think he has to play in the 2nd preseason game at Casey on Sat 9 March. I wouldn't be picking a guy on a long lay off without a proper practice match. In order to play in that game he probably has to in the main training group for at least 3 weeks if not a month. 

At this stage he just doing laps with the occasional bit of ball work. When guys are getting closer to going back to the main group they start doing more sprints, skills and dynamic movements. If Lever isn't doing that in the next 2-3 weeks he's starting to look unlikely for round 1.

That goes without saying.

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More on ACLs, which I found interesting.

It's from Demonland's own star resident expert in these types of things @Webber - posted some time ago:

"There is no greater incidence of hamstring injuries post ACL reconstruction where the hamstring is used as the graft. The hamstring 'group' (3 muscles) compensate as a collective to take over the progressive loads imposed during rehab. The surgery is a very elegant and efficient process. The graft length is computer calibrated to be anatomically correct, and anchored to the bones top and bottom of the knee (femur and tibia). That graft is initially dead tissue, but over the period of 5 to 6 months, the blood supply re-establishes through the bony attachments, such that it becomes fully vascular, and therefore a self-regenerating tissue. It is 'living' and able to absorb the stresses applied. Fully competitive, full speed multidirectional sport is allowed at 9 months. At the elite level, there are seldom variations to this timeline, and the outcome is as if the ACL had never been damaged."

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58 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

 

Providing these two don't kill each other both will improve, I love it.

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4 minutes ago, ProDee said:

More on ACLs, which I found interesting.

Which to me begs the question, would an ACL recovery be more successful if someone had stronger hamstring muscles compared to weaker ones?

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1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

 

Looks like Gawn is not getting it all his own way! ?